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Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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post #132

Here are mine: 1. Still no level 4/5 autonomous cars anywhere in sight. The promise of being "just around the corner" fizzles down and people just forget the hype. 2. Same with AI. The panacea hype dies down. No AGI at all. No major job losses due to AI automation. 3. Facebook (the SN) still exists but ages along with it's current user base. i.e it's the "old people's" SN. Facebook (the company) is still going strong…

> Still no level 4/5 autonomous cars anywhere in sight.

> No major job losses due to AI automation

First off, #2 is really 2 predictions. 1) No AGI 2) No major job loss due to AI automation. There can be job loss due to automation without AGI (which I'm EXTREMELY bearish on AGI, bearish for the century actually).

Second, here's a scenario I think we could see job loss due to autonomous vehicles. Trucking. If we get level 3. We're defining level 3 as

> In the right conditions, the car can manage most aspects of driving, including monitoring the environment. The system prompts the driver to intervene when it encounters a scenario it can’t navigate. Driver involvement: The driver must be available to take over at any time.

I see this as near tech and could cause disruption. We already have level 2. If regulations change, then I could see job loss.

Or another scenario. Let's say that trucks are level 4 on highways in clear conditions, level 2 in cities, and level 1 in bad conditions. Regulations could change so that a driver could "drive" for longer hours and even sleep given that trucks are driving in clear conditions, automatically pulling over to the side of the road/sounding an alarm/slowing down when conditions are deemed unsuitable (with a low threshold). Such a situation seems near possible with current tech and have the potential to disrupt the market. Knowing if that's going to create more drivers or less drivers is harder to say.

I'm also bearish on level 4/5 vehicles in the next decade, but I'm not bearish on driving staying the same within the next decade. Especially as we see more cars becoming level 2. I am bullish on disruption here, including regulation. Though I'm not going to try to define what the disruption is, other than increased safety (which is pretty huge).

I'm not bullish on AI causing major job loss, but I am bullish on automation (not necessarily %s/AI/ML/g) creating disruption. In fact, I think we're already seeing this. And I want to be clear, I don't think we need ML to automate things. We've done a lot of automation already without it. I think COTs electronics becoming cheaper is the bigger driving force to that along with consumer preferences of using digital systems (Amazon vs store, self checkout vs cashier, movie ticket touch screens vs box office, etc).

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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post #249
post #132

Here are mine: 1. Still no level 4/5 autonomous cars anywhere in sight. The promise of being "just around the corner" fizzles down and people just forget the hype. 2. Same with AI. The panacea hype dies down. No AGI at all. No major job losses due to AI automation. 3. Facebook (the SN) still exists but ages along with it's current user base. i.e it's the "old people's" SN. Facebook (the company) is still going strong…

#2 : I agree on still no AGI - from even 2 decades from now however job looses I disagree with, just like Industrial Age job losses will happen with more and more automation but at the same time new types of jobs will be created (not as many as the ones lost).

I found it odd that the OP included AGI and job loss in a single point. COTs electronics becoming cheaper is a big driver to automation. ML not required.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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post #80

- AI based systems will start to replace humans in the more mechanical parts of the legal system. Judging traffic court cases could be one example. - One country will invade another country using computer/information attacks as the deciding strike, perhaps Russia invading one of the Eastern Bloc countries. People's mobile phones will simply tell them that there is some kind of natural disaster happening and that they…

>be quickly forgotten, much like mass shootings today

Mass shootings have historically been responsible for deaths totalling in the teens per year, or less. Today, with increaded gun control, death totals from mass shootings are their highest ever at hundreds per year. Still, I hope it is possible for you to understand just how tiny this number is compared to those killed by the War on Drugs, the opioid crisis, by suicide, by preventable accidents, by smoking, etc. Inner city gang and Black on Black crime kills over an order of magnitude more people by shooting. Your idea that mass shootings are somehow underreprensented in our conciousness completely insane.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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Optimistic:

1) At least a couple of cities will have managed to deploy a successful autonomous shuttle fleet that fulfills uber/lyft like real time request but with the benefit of density that riding in a shuttle / bus / van provides. Dedicated lanes that only allow these sorts of vehicles will help make this a success and will ensure that no matter how far away level 5 still is, it actually does work without a safety driver for the geofenced region of the city. In these examples, the autonomous shuttle system will be the main form of mass-transit and will be convenient enough that the same percentage of people that co car-less in NYC will do so in smaller less dense cities where these have been deployed.

2) Meat will largely have replaced by plant based or lab grown for most fast food experiences. You will still prefer the real thing when going to a nicer restaurant but happy to eat a plant based burger when on the road or at an airport.

3) Similarly, a synthetic form of coffee will be the norm at fast food places and gas stations. Higher end coffee shops will offer both. Aficionados will still prefer the real thing but most people will be fine with the smooth taste of e.g atomo (and maybe it's even them who win this market!)

4) Robotic manipulation will have progressed enough to achieve "careful farming" at scale - just like a medium size organic farm that is weeded by hand, but by robots. This will also be the basis of popular services that will come and tend your vegetable garden for you.

5) Social and cultural norms to communicating online have begun to materialize that help us collectively make sense of the world and communicate more effectively without the constant freaking out and negative personal attacks. We've learned to systematically ignore trolls while tolerating earnest unpopular assertions.

6) There will be several successful open source projects that maintain AI models for common tasks such as object detection / human skeleton pose estimation in images and videos, speech transcription, voice commands etc. These will enable open source photo management solutions that match the convenience of google / apple's offerings, which will be used by many geeks, and this will put pressure on the big tech companies to offer true privacy, much in the way apple has begun to and google has shown steps with its e.g offline voice transcription app.

7) camera based 3d reconstruction will become commoditized enabling open street maps or another open mapping platform will be reasonable to use in place of google maps with the help of a community of people willing to share video feeds from dash / bike / helmet cams, including live updates to things like traffic, construction, new business openings / closing etc.

Pessimistic:

1) AR still isn't good enough for mass market use - it feels a little uncomfortable and distracting to wear for anything but professional use. There are an increasing number of jobs where AR headsets have become the norm.

2) blockchain never found a mass market in a truly decentralized / trustless manner, but has been adopted privately by banks to make international transactions easier

3) There still won't be an easy way to build end to end general purpose user facing applications without writing code - despite at least a few more noble attempts ala WithEve

4) We still will not have managed to curb global warming even after largely adopting electrification and plant based diets due to the material demands of a growing richer population and an inability to collectively enforce the truly radical changes required

5) Despite the ubiquity of learning resources the job market will remain about as meritocratic as it is today, with many, but by no means all, of the best jobs won by a combination of skill and connections rather than largely by skill

Crazy:

1) Hippy co-ops of open source technologists will emerge - sort of like the Amish but only use open source hardware and software. Similar to what Neil Stephenson depicted in Anathem with concents but not quite as monastic or centralized. It will be a collective of households taking a pledge and helping each other out. People will participate out of a feel they have to to avoid surveillance and retain control of their lives. Many open source projects will be lead by these communities. copy-left open source licenses will be in vogue again.

2) Robots that can survive in the wild (e.g a solar powered autonomous drone) that will live for years even after losing touch with the original human(s) that deployed them

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

#355

Some mutually-exclusive points here, but I'm not expecting 100% accuracy anyway :P * The top 100 entertainment, tech, and consumable brands are all subsidiaries of Disney, Alphabet, or Nestle respectively * Owning things becomes a niche; rental / X-as-a-service becomes the default for everything from toothbrushes to pets. Kids born in 2030 might live to be 100 and never own anything. * 25% unemployment due to automat…

I'll disagree with you on this one:

    25% unemployment due to automation - not due to strong AI, just steady incremental changes (eg how McD's has already replaced human till operators with "select your meal from a tablet then swipe your payment card")
I'll predict the exact opposite. The decade will include one recession that will be called a "X bubble" and take ~3 years to recover from where X is something everybody uses (housing, tech, etc.). Rich people and corporations will be blamed, but no meaningful economic reforms will be passed. Despite continually dire predictions from left-leaning politicans and internet economists about unemployment and UBI, recession unemployment will sit at 11% and non-recession unemployment will sit around 5% (as measured by the U3 in the United States). Unemployment will never exceed 15% for the duration of the decade. Though the labor force participation rate will drop (as boomers continue to retire) the rate of drop will begin to level out towards the end of the decade. This drop will lead to the first sustained real (inflated adjusted) increase in wages since the 90s.

See you in 2030 :)

Edit: also, UBI will not be passed into law in any state or federally.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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1. Rust will hit the top 5 languages and become a mainstay of robust computing.

2. Blockchain won't replace anything. CryptoCurrency won't appreciably become more significant.

3. AI will get linearly better, but nothing paradigm-shifting. Its hype will begin to fade.

4. There will be a massive privacy leak/security event that will cause us, as a society, to re-evaluate the legal landscape of data collection and monitoring.

5. Google will lose significant market share.

6. Petrol cars will decline in manufacturing rates 1 if not 2 orders of magnitude.

7. A human-trip to Mars will be scheduled, if not completed.

8. The mobile market will be significantly disrupted by some new product, but I have no idea what it will be.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

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1. Trust in journalists and news publications will continue to crater due to their inability to resist clickbait, sloppy ethic controls, and constant hyperboles. 2. China will enter a pronounced recession that is it unable to hide from the world. 3. The EU will lose at-least one more member nation after the United Kingdom leaves. 4. The credibility of scientist and research universities will hit all time lows as the…

>4. The credibility of scientist and research universities will hit all time lows as the effects of the replication crisis become more pronounced and climate changes predictions prove less accurate than lay people find acceptable. I expect this to result in a large pullback in funding for research that lacks a direct practical application. Agreed. Can also see, with the death of traditional journalism, the arts major…

>"We've 12 years to live because of climate change!" are fickle and as soon as the current narrative shifts a bit there's no telling what other damage they're capable of doing.

One of the contributing factors to why I think we'll see a significant return to religiousness in Western nations in the coming decade.

Those hysterias and groupthinks already are their religions. Meanwhile the tail end of the distribution in the US is increasingly experiencing worse outcomes: homelessness, joblessness, suicide, etc.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

#359
post #194

In the spirit of the future is here just not evenly distributed: 1. Electric cars will go from niche for the rich to something for everyone. 2. Genetic testing will become even more commonplace and even more useful. 3. ipv6 will become dominant, but there may be holdouts. 4. Freezing your sperm / eggs / stem cells will become something everyone does. 5. Using a non-memory-safe language for servers will be seen as bui…

>Use of force in the form of sanctions against countries that release too much CO2

Don't know about this one since the countries with the clout to impose sanctions are also by far the biggest CO2 emitters

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions?

#360
1. Electric vehicles will be mainstream.

2. Self-driving will be deployed effectively in freight transport.

3. The cost and efficiency of logistics will be lowered further and become an important factor in economic growth.

4. Pressure on the market of commercial real estate due to the lower cost of logistics.

5. Wind (especially offshore wind farms) and solar become cost-effective energy sources.

6. Technology leaps in battery and energy storage.

7. AI/ML will find its niche in industrial infrastructure more than consumer goods/services.

8. Desktops and laptops made of SoCs become the norm.

9. RISC-V commoditizes certain aspects of the chip design industry and will grow an impactful ecosystem.

10. Cash will be diminished by the market and the pushes from governments, which will be replaced by digital transactions.

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