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Teachers around me are freaked out about the end of homeworks, they can't stop talking about it. And their students anywhere between 8 and 18 are generating all assignments they can using ChatGPT (and then manually or DeepL-translating into our native language, which is not English and for which ChatGPT is still ridiculously funny). So it's not just tech.

homework never had much value, anyway, it’s nice to see students fighting back

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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No it's not an echo chamber. There are certainly people who aren't up to date with it but the entire world, in general, knows what's going on.

The echo chamber in tech is people thinking they're in an echo chamber. I mean come on, 90% of people in tech have never built an LLM in their lives they just read some laymans article on it like everyone else and harp on how it's not an AI and it's just a "token predictor" and other generic arguments like that.

What I'm saying is that MOST people in tech don't do AI and therefore their perspective on LLMs is equivalent to someone completely outside of tech. Every typical software engineer thinks because they took a small course on ML or they read a little bit about chatGPT and that puts them on a pedestal above an average non-tech worker... well I hate to break it to you, the non-tech worker can look up those articles too.

They can also play with chatGPT extensively which doesn't require any tech skills and they can literally see for themselves what a game changer the technology is.

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What you're describing is very close to what the thought experiment of Chinese Room ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room ). But yes, it's unfortunate that when the next tokens are joined token and laid out in the form of a sentence it appears "intelligent" to people. However if you instead lay out the individual probabilities of each token instead then it'll be more obvious what ChatGPT/LLMs actually do.

What do you think your brain does when deciding the next word to speak? It is scoring words based on the appropriateness considering context and all the relevant known facts, as well as your communicative intent. But it is not obvious that there is nothing like communicative intent in LLMs. When you prompt it, you are engaging some subset of the network relevant to the prompt that induces a generative state disposed…

> What do you think your brain does when deciding the next word to speak? It is scoring words based on the appropriateness considering context and all the relevant known facts

I mean, it's not. It's visualizing concepts internally and then using a grammar model to turn those into speech.

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Typically "use case" means not just something a technology can do, but something it's better at than the common alternatives, in some way that matters. Not so with blockchain and financial transactions. Everything it treats like a bug is in fact a valuable, critical feature (i.e. reversibility and tracking). So if grandpa overcomes his tropey Luddite ways and goes from cash to card, he's arrived at the best technolog…

People love to claim that NFTs can only be used for signed pictures of gorillas, but imo they are probably one of the most interesting utilities on a blockchain. Have you ever tried to buy a ticket through ticket master? It's not a wonderful experience. Digital event tickets could be sold directly from the venue to the attendee without any of the hassle of TM. Tickets that are non-fungible (ie an assigned seat at an…

> Digital event tickets could be sold directly from the venue to the attendee without any of the hassle of TM.

And venues could do that (they’re not limited to selling tickets via Ticketmaster), but then they have to maintain technical and operational expertise which is a distraction.

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At work some folks are obsessed with LLM’s but yet we’ve ignored deep learning for years. There may be some applications for LLM’s but as another commenter said it will likely be calling some LLM as an API. At some point once we’re doing that the hype will die down some.

Some family have heard of ChatGPT and have misunderstood what it can do, so I’ve had fun showing them the limitations of it.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically "use case" means not just something a technology can do, but something it's better at than the common alternatives, in some way that matters. Not so with blockchain and financial transactions. Everything it treats like a bug is in fact a valuable, critical feature (i.e. reversibility and tracking). So if grandpa overcomes his tropey Luddite ways and goes from cash to card, he's arrived at the best technolog…

People love to claim that NFTs can only be used for signed pictures of gorillas, but imo they are probably one of the most interesting utilities on a blockchain. Have you ever tried to buy a ticket through ticket master? It's not a wonderful experience. Digital event tickets could be sold directly from the venue to the attendee without any of the hassle of TM. Tickets that are non-fungible (ie an assigned seat at an…

Things like ticket master exist to solve the problem of every venue having to take care of ticket sales as well. This is again a feature out of touch people treat as a bug to fix.

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Everywhere?? That’s exactly the hype talk that’s going to burst this bubble. Here’s tech’s dirty little secret. Despite all the screams about automation and universal basic income… the exact numbers where job replacement would show are in the labor productivity numbers. If GDP stays flat or grows while the number of jobs is reduced… bingo… you’d see that number climb. Productivity has actually stayed flat or gone dow…

> When you said AI (and in my view tech in general) are everywhere, I’m guessing this wasn’t what you meant… That person gave a list of tech they were talking about in their comment immediately afterwards: "speech to text, language translation, recommendation engines, relevancy ranking in search, computer vision, etc. and seems to be getting embedded in more and more processes by the day." I'm not sure it's worth qui…

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>puts it in a similar tier as crypto Comparisons between AI and crypto are horribly misguided IMO. Is AI overhyped? Sure. However - AI/ML is creating utility everywhere in our lives - speech to text, language translation, recommendation engines, relevancy ranking in search, computer vision, etc. and seems to be getting embedded in more and more processes by the day. Crypto never amounted to anything beyond a currency…

This—100%. The AI revolution with LLMs is creating a new type of interface with computers—the AI interface. Will it kill us all? Eh, probably not. Will it completely change human civilization forever? Eh... maybe not? (But also maybe). But what it already has begun to do, and will continue to do is change the way we interact with computers. The era of having a personal voice assistant that is capable, adaptable, and…

> The era of having a personal voice assistant that is capable, adaptable, and intuitive is VERY close

Year of the voice assistant is getting close to year of Linux on desktop.

What you’re promising has been promised time and time again, received endless hype cycles then collapsed once people realised the limits of the technology. Yes, this time the tech is much more capable than what came before but I’m inclined to believe we’ll yet again find a limit that means we’re using it for some things but our lives still aren’t drastically changed.

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