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Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Yes. I turned my life around at 43. Single, obsolete tech skills, lots of debt, personal issues. Began with taking a genuine inventory of my life and how I function, not just how I felt. I picked a constructive and structured approach to that, which looked a lot like CBT therapy but was something else. It was a life reset, clearing out all the baggage. It was very difficult but incremental and genuine over time. Afte…

I'm 52. My life was a total mess, and I'm talking messed up relationships with my family, smoking like a chimney, debts, drinking and more . I cannot agree more that it is not the destination that gets you out of it, it's the courage to start the journey. Once you face the realities, deeply own them, and then genuinely change your day-to-day behaviour, things miraculously start happening even before you've cleared out all the problems. IE: your point about someone showing genuine honesty and courage in trying to get a grip on their lives. People really respond to that.

Personally, I'm lucky that throughout the above, I did keep up on technology. But another discipline I had to learn was not to give into my natural curiosity to try to learn everything that was interesting to me (Ocaml, Vulkan, Elixir, Yggdrasil Network, Rust, IOT, Matrix Protocol, Blender etc etc etc) all at the same time, but to stick to one or two and really persevere on them (I chose Rust). IE stop dreaming and giving in to curiosity, and learn one or two hard skills really well. T-shaped skills basically. No reason not to stay curious - helps you decide on the next vertical bar in the T. But don't waste too much time on breadth - also focus on depth so that at your later age, you'll still feel high confidence in yourself in this area even against the younger guns.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I'm about to turn 40 next year.

My 30s were characterized by multiple open heart surgeries, having my metaphorical heart broken twice and generally not being where I want to be financially. I get where you're coming from.

Sounds to me like you're stuck. Moving to the US isn't going to solve that. Moving isn't going to solve that. The other comments talking about therapy and confronting your problems are spot on. If I were you I would take some of my savings and invest in myself via therapy or whatever else kind of help you need to get back on track in life.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I can't give too much advice as any authority - but I can tell you that a wife, kids, a house and meaningful work are not out of the picture for you. So many people will be in similar positions to you, and the comments seem to reflect that there's a pathway to be found. I wish you all the best in the process, and trust that you'll make it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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You can turn it around. As others said - try to find a therapist that works for you. It could take some time, don't give up too early. Also you should probably come to terms with the idea that you will require medication (antidepressants), and there's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I don't have any idea why you think "a wife, kids" are out of the picture for you: after early adulthood, men and women are looking for someone they can see having a family with, and not for the more superfluous things in life (good looks, status or lots of money). At 43, having kids is harder for women, but usually not for men (well, at least making babies: bringing up kids does get a bit harder as you age regardles…

> At 43, having kids is harder for women, but usually not for men (well, at least making babies: bringing up kids does get a bit harder as you age regardless of the gender). And regardless, do consider adoption, even as a single parent. There are loads of kids taken away from parents who for whatever reason can't really care for them. Often there's a generational component: the kid's grandparent abused or couldn't su…

I second this! Had two bios, they got grown (as happens). Wife and I missing kids and fostered a little 5 month old girl and after two years adopted. She's 5 now and wife/myself are early 50's and she is the center of our universe and so much fun. We all fall asleep around 8pm :)

OP - You are young! Not even 1/2 way through life. You can do it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Key things to keep in mind that may help you:

Yes, many people restart their lives in their 40s, 50s, and you can to. But before that, you need to change your outlook on life.

Life is a journey, not a destination. In the end the only thing you have left are the memories. If you think success and happiness comes from how much money, friends and family you have, sooner or later you will be in for disappointment.

I think the key is being happy and moving on is to appreciate what we had in the past and do not take for granted what we have now or what comes next. Keep the memories of those you care about alive, let them visit you in your dreams. You were there for your father in his final days, that is priceless. Do you know how many people forget about their parents because they are too busy with their own lives? I know of at least one, this remains one my biggest regrets.

This time of the year is depressing for many people. One because the lack of sun brings down the mood, the cold weather tends to make people sleepy and lazy, well at least me. Find sunny weather if you can, or recognize that lack of sun can really affect your mental mood. Do what you can to change that and know that will pass in a few months.

This time of year also has holidays and reminders you should be with someone and with family. If you can, connect back with your family, if not, find new friends. People are friendly, just give them a chance. Join a meetup activity like hiking or dance,these are some of the good places to meet others. Pick up a book.

Another advice worth 2 cents. Find out who you really are? Some people are born to travel the world in one way or another. They never stay in one place. They wind up being sailors, musicians, sales people, digital nomads. These tend not to have much baggage. Others are born to have stable lives, and settle in one place, have house, family etc. Which one are you? People living one life style often envy the other.

About skills, require constant up keeping, just like going to the gym. You can get back into the game any time you want, but just make sure you are dedicated.

Which leads me to mention, at this time you must focus on your health both physical and mental, above all else. Then start skilling up both technical and for social areas. The key is to prepare yourself to take advantage of future opportunities that may not be obvious yet.

Never take anything for granted. Go outside, see a mountain view and sunset, and appreciate the moment.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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post #281
post #10

I don't have any idea why you think "a wife, kids" are out of the picture for you: after early adulthood, men and women are looking for someone they can see having a family with, and not for the more superfluous things in life (good looks, status or lots of money). At 43, having kids is harder for women, but usually not for men (well, at least making babies: bringing up kids does get a bit harder as you age regardles…

> At 43, having kids is harder for women, but usually not for men (well, at least making babies: bringing up kids does get a bit harder as you age regardless of the gender). And regardless, do consider adoption, even as a single parent. There are loads of kids taken away from parents who for whatever reason can't really care for them. Often there's a generational component: the kid's grandparent abused or couldn't su…

That, I wanted to mention this myself. E.g. adopting kids that are already in school. That'll make their day and also considering today's divorce rates they'd probably be already studying should a divorce ever happen. I know families that adopted kids and everyone did really well (and did not divorce from what I heard anyway)

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#349
Talk to a therapist first, but that disclaimer aside:

I believe more or less that the world is built to take 30-50 yo and their goals seriously. So, there is hope if this is an outcome you want for yourself.

Some people get a heads up about this intuition by how they’re raised. There’s also a first wave of people that landed in that by accident just by having a really productive 20s and realizing they have the right markers for people to take them seriously.

Seeing those two populations start to succeed out of nowhere can be disconcerting.

However, you are also in that range. If you start figuring out what markers make people take other people seriously in their professional or personal lives, and find ways to work towards those markers successfully, things can start to snowball towards you out of a rut and up and running.

Then, you can steer that growth and foothold in any direction you want.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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You sound like a great son who did a noble thing for your family and father. That's part of your story.

It may be hard to internalize this but you are still young. Statistically, you've got half your life to live yet. Plenty of regular guys have kids when they are older (I see many new dads in their 40s, 50s and 60s).

You've reached out which is good. You know something is off. You want to get better. You want to live which is your internal life force reaching out. It wants you to move forward with life.

Suicidal thoughts are common, so when you mean ideation, have you come up with a plan? If so what's your plan? What steps can we take to prevent you from acting on that plan? If that means checking into the hospital do that. Your future self will thank you. You've got to put obstacles in the way to acting on the ideation when you are "clear headed".

The next thing you can do is find a therapist. I know that when you are depressed it is really hard to do that. It feels like the last thing you want to do. Depression in its full capacity can incapacitate you and seems insurmountable. I remember being bedridden for weeks. Happened twice in my life. Eventually I recovered enough on my own but after going to therapy I've realized that therapy works way faster than self-help and medications. Self help can help push you along until you find a therapist or for the in between times.

To pick a therapist just pick anyone qualified at this point that can see you today or tomorrow. Tell them it is an emergency. And keep going to therapy. Ask them to prescribe some actionable things for you to do.

In terms of Actions that helped me in addition to therapy.

1. Quit all chemicals like alcohol and drugs. At least until you are feel better. Commit to that.

2. Eat 3 square meals a day of nutritious food. Go outside and talk a walk everyday.

3. Now watch a couple tv shows (if reading is too difficult):

First on Netflix there is a documentary on Phil Stutz called "Stutz". He is excellent and provides what he calls The Tools (thetoolsbook.com). Watch this and then read up on the tools (and watch the youtube videos). You can pay for some audio and videos as well which may help. The tools is a set of visualizations that are useful for dealing with depression, anxiety etc... It can be hard to see when to apply them but go with it. Keep these tools in the background of everything you do.

Second there is a tv show called Limitless with Chris Hemsworth. This show is about training your body and your mind together to handle stress. The breathing and cold exposure stuff is similar to Wym Hoff. Wym Hoff breathing is super useful as is the cold exposure stuff. Watch this show. Practice breath technique and cold exposure. Increase your stress tolerance. There are small safe exposure steps you can take vs jumping off the deep end so to speak. This is stuff like Wym Hoff breathing (lie down when you do it) and taking cold showers to start.

4. Journaling. Imagine you're writing about you as if you are your best friend. Write down what you are thinking and maybe start with a history of yourself. Try taking a 3rd person perspective rather than a first person one.

5. Medications like anti-depressants can help break the hold depression has but you still have to do the psychological work. You may or may not need them. They can increase depression at first especially in younger folks). A doctor can help here. It is important to tell them you need help.

6. Reach out to friends and family and connect with others. Invite someone out for coffee or if asked to go out do that. If you don't have any, volunteer where you can make new friends over a shared context. Even if you are not religious and the only options nearby are associated with a church, go volunteer. Consider going to church. It is important to connect with other people and be of service to others. Again you don't have to buy into the religion thing. What you are buying into is our shared humanity. You have to take the initiative to reach out to others.

Stutz says that if you're lost, depressed or feeling stuck, it's important to work on your Life Force first. Your life force is like a pyramid. At the bottom is your body, in the middle is other people and at the top is yourself.

Anyone can work on their life force at any time. What I've described above are steps to do that.

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