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Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by worthless-trash »

xwowsersx wrote: post #279
astrostl wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Multi-cloud from the outset" is probably the single-worst generic cloud advice that I think anyone could be given. In professional cloud consulting the rule of thumb is to do one cloud with excellence until you even think about another one. And even that is really just kicking the conversational can, as both becoming excellent and actually needing multi-cloud combined is one-in-a-billion.

Who are you quoting? I said "multi-region from the outset" and later acknowledged that multi-cloud would probably be overkill.

This was exactly what I was thinking, its amazing what people read into, probably myself included.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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moralestapia wrote: post #339
Twirrim wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth pointing out that every cloud is the same when it comes to capacity / capacity risk. They all apply a lot of time and effort to figuring out the optimal amount of capacity to order based on track record of both customer demand and supply chain satisfaction. Too much capacity is money spent getting no return, up front capex, ongoing opex, physical space in facilities etc. On cloud scales (averaged out over…

Never happened to me in AWS. Wasn't the whole point of "the cloud" that these things shouldn't happen?

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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by Spooky23 »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #303
Spooky23 wrote: post #288

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They have a lot of technical debt. They have like 6 different clouds (at least 4 gov clouds alone) and SLA commitments to things like O365 that silo their infrastructure. MS also makes all sorts of crazy deals and commitments, and I wouldn’t be surprised if being collocated with a strategic customer may lead to local shortages of resources.

AWS has at least 3 publicly-discussed 'clouds' (or partitions, as they're called at AWS). There may or may not be other partitions that cannot be discussed publicly.

There’s a pretty clean demarc between the AWS clouds. With Microsoft because they have O365 and Azure AD dependencies sprinkled everywhere with varying features it’s a real mess. So you can do government contract with with device managed by Windows Autopilot & Intune in a commercial cloud, have email in a Gov Community Cloud, and deliver apps in a US Gov cloud, all with different identities etc.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by z3t4 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #224
z3t4 wrote: post #34

I think there is some general rule in business that you should not depend on a provider that if they lost your business it would be less then one percent of their revenue. Or be ready when they drop the guillotine.

For anyone getting started, that means no dependencies at all. Even colocating would be out of the question, according to your metric.

It depends on how long it would take you to find another colocating company. If there is another co-location on the other side of the street you could simply take your computer there - then there is no dependency.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by gumby »

philwelch wrote: post #318
dangus wrote: post #312

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Why do I want AD or Microsoft 365?

You personally? No idea. You probably don't. But many (most?) businesses use AD and Office and aren't particularly interested in migrating to alternative solutions.

Yes, Microsoft focuses on the customer (corporate IT), not the user.

This is how the iphone was able to nuke windows phones which were designed to meet the needs of IT

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by YaBa »

Sad to ear that, but people have a wrong idea about the cloud, it's just others people hardware and like everything, there's a limit.

They cannot warn you because it's very hard to predict how many new customers will come or if the existing ones will create more instances.

I know about a bank with the same issue, basically, they've hogged all the resources in a specific region and yet, they need more. Unfortunately this things take time, MS cannot setup a new datacenter in a couple of days.

>but setting up in a new region would be complicated for us.

Why? it's easy: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-resource-manag...

Latency issues from app to DB?

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by dangus »

philwelch wrote: post #318
dangus wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I want AD or Microsoft 365?

You personally? No idea. You probably don't. But many (most?) businesses use AD and Office and aren't particularly interested in migrating to alternative solutions.

I mainly work in startups. None of them in recent memory have bothered with AD or Office. Okta and Google Workspaces take their place.

Those MS products have an “IBM mainframe” problem. New businesses won’t choose them.

That’s why I say “why do I want them?” If I was starting a new business I’d have no reason to use them.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by dangus »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #321
dangus wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I want AD or Microsoft 365?

O365 = teams, docs, outlook, etc. workspace tools AD = identity, access, privileging, SSO

I know what they are. No company I’ve worked for recently used them.

In my mind they’re legacy business products.

Sure, most businesses use them, but I don’t necessarily believe that is a forever thing. At one point most businesses had mainframes.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by janober »

jcmontx wrote: post #127

Why not just creating a bigger DB instance in another region for a few months? Sure, you'll take a performance hit, but 99% of users won't notice or care

Ah yes, that is what we did in the end for the database. But that is not our main issue, rather that we do not get any more instances for our k8s cluster and those we can sadly not just spin up somewhere else.
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