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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Not directly answering your question, but you might want to look into FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early). The subreddits /r/FIRE, /r/leanFIRE, and /r/fatFIRE are full of excellent info and active communities of people who have either achieved or are working to achieve exactly what you are hoping to do.

also r/chubbyFIRE

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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At least in my experience, people who get away with a small amount of work are almost always senior people who are highly regarded by the higher-ups. It's difficult to get away with doing very little work as a junior person in any org because 1) you don't have the autonomy to choose the work, 2) you're considered fungible, so you're given relatively fungible work, which is easy to size and compare against others, and 3) you're not trusted, so managers scrutinize your work more. The caveat is that it's hard to overcome these issues without having worked hard at some point - the key is having some level of expertise within the company along with the trust of the higher-ups who would rather focus their energy on ensuring that less trustworthy people don't mess up.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I love this question for its honesty. Frankly if I had a job I just needed technical competence on without much thought, I'd probably hire you. Our 1-on-1's would be brief and probably just be you demoing whatever hobby it is you alluded to. As long as you can crank out some decent code, I don't see a reason why a person who needs some quality work done shouldn't at least give your desired arrangement a chance. Unfor…

I may be naive but why would you hire someone who repeatedly says "I don't care". I have no problem hiring someone who just wants to get their shit done and get the f out and if that means, they only work 2 hours, so be it as long as expectations are clear BUT they still have to care when they are working those 2 hours. May be I am too simplistic but when someone tells me "I don't care", I generally won't hire them r…

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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I love this question for its honesty. Frankly if I had a job I just needed technical competence on without much thought, I'd probably hire you. Our 1-on-1's would be brief and probably just be you demoing whatever hobby it is you alluded to. As long as you can crank out some decent code, I don't see a reason why a person who needs some quality work done shouldn't at least give your desired arrangement a chance. Unfor…

5. Take your job. Essentially you’re not doing any work are you? You’re looking for competent people to do work for you.

Would going into management be what this guy is looking for? I’m looking for honesty as candid as the op.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a UX/UI guy that worked for two big canadian banks at the same time. He was moving to Bank B, and did it for three months, just enough to lock in his annual bonus on Bank A. Oh, and he was praised in Bank A for his work in this period.

Stories like this is what will get to management and have them force everyone back in to the office.

I don't get this reaction by management- if the work is getting done, who cares?!

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Work in government, education, or non-profit. I've worked in 2 of those and was regularly pressured by management to work less hard lest I make everyone look bad. My first job out of college for a non-profit (only company that would hire me) involved about 30 minutes a day of actual work.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Am I the only one who read this thread and got a little sad? Technology really does have the potential to change the world for the better, and I still believe that. It's just sad to see so many people who just want to use their talents to make money and that's it. Anyways I can understand why people get to where they are in terms of believing that there is no meaningful work out there in software which also makes eno…

A lot of folks on here think the most sought after companies for SW engineers are FAANG. Base for major profits at these companies: FB - advertising Apple - hardware company with software/services Amazon - ecommerce Netflix - entertainment content streaming Google - advertising Ranking those as far as companies to make the world better, I would rank Apple at the top since they actually produce something of value to a…

I agree with you that technology can be used for good, neutral, or evil purposes. I also agree with you that the largest tech companies are not all good. They are desirable because they pay well, but not to everyone. I left a job at Google, for example. (Ironically... you mentioned health, and I was lucky enough to work on health while I was there).

The weird thing is that we are the tech industry. Almost everyone I know in tech reads Hackernews. If we are cynical about our own industry, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

The idea that no industry can change the world for the better seems overly pessimistic to me. If you take a broader view going back to the 1500s vs. now, it's clear that industry has played a role in making the world better. I expect this long term trend to continue.

There is definitely a growing trend for green technology, I don't see why you think that, for example, Tesla isn't a tech company that will play a role in helping the planet.

There are plenty of problems besides climate change, even though that is a huge one.

As I mentioned in my post before, a lot of the reasons we face these problems is related to the fact that the market does not properly price things. So of course there is going to be a mismatch between work that pays well and work that benefits society. Is this mismatch permanent? I don't think so. Is it uniform to all work? I also don't think so.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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As others have said, working for a non-software (ideally non-computer) company is a good place to start. Pay will be relatively low, you'll have little choice about the technologies or types of programming you work on, but the pace/intensity will be very low too. If you become the expert for some in-house system written in a language or framework nobody else even heard of that can be even better as long as that system lasts. Some people have even made careers out of building such systems as contractors and then making money off them for years, but that only works for people who have no ethics.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the take-away here, which I've also experienced, is to get an IT job in an industry that does not appreciate IT - find a position that seems to involve a TON of manual work - automate all of it - and DO NOT TELL anyone that you have automated those activities. If you are working from home, you could conceivably do this for multiple jobs (in theory, ethical considerations aside).

Ya know I've been considering taking on more jobs, but the biggest challenge is still being available for weekly meetings. Still need to appear in zoom calls on video for a status report.

Find jobs that don't require that nonsense. They do exist. I don't have weekly meetings, and haven't seen my co-workers either physically or on a screen in over a year.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I have no interest in telling you what to do as an individual but this thread and all of the people that seem on board with this is what drives me crazy about most of the places I've worked. I have the hardest time getting anything done because of the sea of people trying to find ways not to do any work. Is this not abuse of privilege? Do you all not hear the stories of people working multiple jobs and still not bein…

It was a relief to read this post, thanks for writing it. Are there other aggregators or communities that have less of this attitude that you visit online? I heard about lobster.rs recently, not sure if things are better there.
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