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I see this from time to time and it frustrates me. I would love it if people above a karma threshold could vouch for shadowbanned users with a recent history of more constructive comments.

If you click the timestamp of the comment there should be a [vouch] link. If you've checked the comment history and the comments seem ok I guess you can email the mods to let them know.

Ah, you're totally right, I bet an email would work in particularly unfortunate cases.

Re: Ask HN: What are some tech companies that do not use an open floor plan?

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I work for Viasat; all of our new-build offices in the past few years have been designed around what we call the neighborhood concept. A neighborhood is a set of individual offices (maybe 60sqft-ish?) with three solid walls, and one glass/wood wall with a sliding door. All the offices open into a central room that can be outfitted in a bunch of different ways. There are neighborhoods of different sizes, and basically…

I found these pictures after some digging.. would you say they are representative? http://sca-sd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2c-viasat-offic... http://sca-sd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2d-viasat-offic... Architecture firm's site: http://sca-sd.com/portfolio/viasat-2/ Looks very spacious, not sure if it's feasible in high cost (/ sq ft) offices?

Are you hiring? (Half heartedly joking...)

Re: Ask HN: What are some tech companies that do not use an open floor plan?

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I work for Viasat; all of our new-build offices in the past few years have been designed around what we call the neighborhood concept. A neighborhood is a set of individual offices (maybe 60sqft-ish?) with three solid walls, and one glass/wood wall with a sliding door. All the offices open into a central room that can be outfitted in a bunch of different ways. There are neighborhoods of different sizes, and basically…

oh my, it sounds pretty close to what's described in peopleware. give people both options of isolated, private space, and shared space, and let them move between them as they wish.

Great book. Right up there with Mythical Man Month.

Re: Ask HN: What are some tech companies that do not use an open floor plan?

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It's not acceptable. I've moved from a dev background to having a go at sre/devops/something-or-other; work aside, the culture is excrutiating, with people shouting across the office all day. Best case, someone talking to themself hour after hour, as if anyone wants to hear that. The idea that open floor plans are productive is farce. I effectively have two jobs, the first being just trying to get any work done.

It's also extremely unhealthy. I've never been so sick in my entire life as since I started this job a year ago. Literally herded like cattle into an open air room with hundreds of other people from all around the world coughing and sneezing in your face all day. I'll never ever accept another position with this kind of setup.

Our workspace has been referred to as “the bullpen”. One dev gets a cold, soon after another.

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Interesting. I work from home most often, and I find that not having to tack on a 2 1/2 hr daily car commute leaves me time for actually socializing IRL as opposed to trying to cram that need into the office.

Yeah, but where do you find anybody to socialize with?

Besides 'normal' friends, sports club, meetups, local university public lectures, out and about cycling etc. I don't see the problem.

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Interesting. I work from home most often, and I find that not having to tack on a 2 1/2 hr daily car commute leaves me time for actually socializing IRL as opposed to trying to cram that need into the office.

I think your schedule (“work from home most often”) is my ideal. Did you find it difficult to find a company that permits this? Did you have to negotiate for it, or is it pretty standard for everyone?

To be fair I grew into it. Company moved several times as we grew, each time moving further away from where I lived. I had to work from home for a while when I broke my leg. It just sorta stuck from there. I mainly work with International teams, so F2F are mostly just a quarterly meeting affair. I'm well aware not being 'in the office' each day hurts my internal visibility, but it's a trade-off. Not going to waste <50% of my non-work, non-sleep, non-chore time sitting behind the wheel of a car in a traffic jam.

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long tables with bench seating So everyone at the table has to have identical ergonomics?

What an absolute nightmare.

You just need to hire engineers that fit the space (between 5'9" and 5'11" tall). What is the problem? Hiring is difficult anyway ...

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> if you're in an open office, headphones on. No thanks, 8 hours/day with headphones on is already giving hearing problems. I'm done with that.

Earplugs work great for me. It does taking some getting used to.

I've tried that too. Unfortunately, due to tinnitus issues, earplugs cause complications for me.

I've tried all manner of earplug/headphone/earmuff combinations, and nothing works except not having loud people around.

Re: Ask HN: What are some tech companies that do not use an open floor plan?

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No. If you must talk to yourself then you should "seek employment somewhere with a dedicated office or work from home" -- if you were so important that your productivity should come at the expense of those around you then you would already have an office.

Most people talk in offices. Many including to themselves. Most people don't have issues with it. You will be happier if you adapt to the world, rather than asking the world to adapt to you. Since you're new, you should probably read the HN guidelines regarding the types of things to avoid.

I'm not new, I've been here for almost a decade. I don't provide an email address, so when a browser logs me out I create a new account.

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Interesting. I work from home most often, and I find that not having to tack on a 2 1/2 hr daily car commute leaves me time for actually socializing IRL as opposed to trying to cram that need into the office.

Yeah, but where do you find anybody to socialize with?

I've only had one job in my whole career where I met people I wanted to hang out with outside work. One of two of the guys I work with now might meet that bar if they weren't so far away.

Where else do we find people? Well, we're all older, so we already had friends from other activities -- political involvement, volunteering for arts orgs, our cycling group, etc.

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