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Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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How's housing up there? I went to school at the UC and have always dreamed about moving back.

It's gotten expensive. Figure $1.2M for a decent 34 bedroom.

Not too bad. My last 34-bedroom house was at least 10x that. ;-)

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Wow. That is extreme. Is that normal for the area?

It's 2222sqft and 7 years old which is pretty nice (this price is a decent deal for this place). Have to have housemates in Palo Alto - otherwise you end up living by yourself in an old run down apartment for $2800 a month. You can find cheaper if you're willing to live in a tiny studio for ~$2300 or if you're willing to live outside of Palo Alto itself (maybe as low as $1800 for a studio in East Palo Alto). If you s…

> As a bonus, if you live in Palo Alto you don't have to worry about your roommates finding girlfriends and moving out - since that'll be pretty unlikely.

Love that. It's actually one of the things I was wondering about. At that high amount, you really stand to lose if a room is vacant.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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Panama City Panama. Zero tax on foreign income. If you continue contracting for US companies all of your income will be foreign. It makes a huge difference. I paid over 40% in tax in SF. Tons of tech people are doing it as they can more easily work remote and are already competing on a global stage. I've joined a share house of foreign tech workers who all doing the same thing for the same reasons. It is in one of th…

How's the internet? I'm really interested in working remotely from Central America but worry that it'd be challenging to find reliable fast connections—at least in places that aren't downtown centers.

My plan is to live in a downtown center. Panama has pretty good internet.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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I am a native of Minneapolis proper and I would say move here to South Minneapolis. The suburbs suck and are absolutely terrible unless upper middle class white bumpkins are your crowd. South Minneapolis and midtown are super cool and you can still buy in before full gentrification kicks in.

That's pretty harsh. We wanted to move into S. Minneapolis but couldn't justify the high cost. Instead we ended up in the (far) suburbs.

It is pretty harsh, but I do think the suburbs around minneapolis are really really crappy. All the food gets delivered off the back off US food trucks, most people are openly racist and/or hickish, all the houses look like crap, etc etc.

Which part of south minneapolis are you talking about? There is a big difference between southeast and southwest.

I once played a hockey team from the suburbs when I was younger and one of the players had a confederate flag on their helmet and called one of our black players a nigger while on the ice. I am not making this up. Furthermore, all of our minneaplis cops are from the suburbs and they routinely harass minority people and think it's ok to shoot them in the face in north minneapolis.

I really think the minneapolis suburbs are elitist and racist. My source is that I have lived here for over 20 years and now work in the shitty elitist suburbs that I hate. I get a firsthand dosage of the institutionalized racism and elitism every day of my life.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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>The atmosphere here is, I dunno, toxic. Too many people here size each other up based on where they work and where they live and people are way too obsessed with advancing their careers and chasing higher salaries, more luxurious cars, nicer apartments, etc. Everyone seems to have some sort of inferiority complex if they don't work for the "Big 4". People in Davis/Sac seemed less superficial and it was a lot easier…

> Is this your own set of insecurities being projected on others? I never got that sense in SV... I am not the OP, but I share his/her views. To the above point, maybe? I used to perceive NY/Wall-Street as all about image, and SF/tech-scene to be much more down-to-earth and friendly. I don't find that anymore. Taking Caltrain, I see people wearing Google/FB/Twitter/XXX t-shirts, sweatshirts, jackets, bags etc. Compan…

I used to go to the bay all the time and I would always wear Foursquare (snowboarding brand) hoodies. This was at a time when Foursquare the SV startup was really popular. People would always stare and ask if I worked there. Eventually I just started telling them I was a co-founder.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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Boise has some good, small tech firms. Great area for quality of life.

Is it still a Micron-dominated monoculture? That one company had way too much influence when I lived there.

When did you live here? It's changed quite a bit over the last 5-7 years. There's a real startup scene here now.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

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Grew up and lived in Chicago most of my life. Moved to the Bay Area in 2013. Key things to note about Chicago: - The weather is all extremes (extreme cold, extreme hot, extreme humidity) barring a few nice weeks during spring and fall - The government is beyond horrible (just check this stat on the conviction/jail rate for our mayors[1]) - From what friends who still live there tell me, the crime has only been gettin…

Hmm, meh, I feel like you can say a lot of pretty similar things about San Francisco and the Bay Area too. Let me defend Chicago with some counterpoints! - Weather: Sure, SF Bay Area wins here in terms of what you might think of as regularly experienced weather, but it is not without its extremes. Let's recall that most of California, including surrounding SF Bay Area, has been in an extreme drought for the past seve…

Appreciate you bringing data to the discussion.

Worth clarifying is that I live in the Peninsula, and there's a ton of factors for why my circumstances might differ from yours. Crime out here is way lower than in SF for example. Ultimately there's pros and cons a plenty to both places, and ones priorities ultimately dictate the weighting of them.

For me, weather and culture was huge, as was the crime. The crime piece likely could have been solved if I moved to a nicer suburb, but ultimately that was lower on the list.

Like I said--Chicago will always have a place in my heart, but I've found that I'm ultimately much happier living in the Bay Area, despite the higher cost of living. I just wish I'd realized it sooner so I could have moved out here and bought five years ago.

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