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Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by swat535 »

Lerc wrote: post #27

I have seen this question asked on subreddits, Not about AI, but for other topics that some people dislike. They always seem to take the form of "Should we divide this group into A and B, A stays here and B goes over there and that way everybody is happy" Invariably the person who proposes this wants to remain in group A and will not be a participant in group B. To me this seems like the subtext is "Those people are…

I highly doubt this is going to happen anyway.

HN has many VCs and startups and HN itself is backed by a VC firm, so I highly doubt AI news is going anywhere as it benefits many YC Startups currently levering this hype as well as VCs and other investors shoving cash into this.

Additionally, that there are also ton of vibe coders, OpenAI / Meta / Google folks here interested in this topic.

I'm afraid the only solution is for people to ride the cycle until it either fizzles out or morphs into something else.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by tptacek »

simonw wrote: post #245
rjh29 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In a thread devoted to filtering out AI, I gave them a way of filtering out AI. (The fact that I wrote it using AI doesn't really matter, but I personally found it amusing so I included the prompts.)

It really isn't incumbent on you to feed the trolls here.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by simonw »

voxl wrote: post #325
simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

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Not at all. I think you misunderstood the point I was making here.

I think the idea of splitting Hacker News into AI and not AI is honestly a little absurd.

If you don't want to engage with LLM and AI content on Hacker News, don't engage with it! Scroll right on past. Don't click it.

If you're not going to do that, then since we are hackers here and we solve things by building tools, building a tool that filters out the stuff you don't want to see is trivial. So trivial I could get o3 to solve it for me in literally minutes.

(This is a pointed knock at the "AI isn't even useful crowd", just in case any of them are still holding out.)

There's a solid meta-joke here too, which is that filtering on keywords is a bad way to solve this problem. The better way to solve this profile... is to use AI!

So yeah, I'm not embarrassed at all. I think my joke and meta joke were pretty great.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by th0ma5 »

simonw wrote: post #155
th0ma5 wrote: post #128

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Perhaps you should add a privacy policy or just release the source rather than assume people will trust your site. Why do you do these demos if you aren't upfront about all the things the LLMs didn't do?

I released the source: https://github.com/simonw/tools/blob/main/hacker-news-filter... (Apache 2 licensed) and a commit history listing the prompts I used. https://github.com/simonw/tools/commits/main/hacker-news-fil... - also displayed on the site here: https://tools.simonwillison.net/colophon#hacker-news-filtere... I don't think I need a privacy policy since the app is designed so that nothing gets logged anywhere…

You should try to get other people to make your demos is all I'm saying. I don't know why you keep inserting yourself either. Why didn't someone else post the thing you made? Were they waiting for you to do it or do you think people aren't smart enough to do it? I'm just trying to understand why every damned LLM story has to feature you. In what ways could you avoid such a filter of your posts?

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by th0ma5 »

johnb231 wrote: post #246
th0ma5 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you should add a privacy policy or just release the source rather than assume people will trust your site. Why do you do these demos if you aren't upfront about all the things the LLMs didn't do?

The site does not request any personal information, therefore no privacy policy is required.

It has no server side log? How do I know that if there is no policy?

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by postalcoder »

simonw wrote: post #250
simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

I updated it to fetch 200 stories instead of 30, so even after filtering you still get hopefully 140+ things to read. https://github.com/simonw/tools/commit/ccde4586a1d95ce9f5615...

I’ve built a site that does the same sort of exclusion filtering, with a lot more bells and whistles. Very much in the spirit of “what if HN stayed HN, but had actual, very useful features.”

Here’s an “anti-ai” timeline filter:

https://hcker.news/?filter=top30&exclude=llm%2C+vibe%2C+open...

I’m not using the Algolia API, I ingest the hn fire hose on my own server so the filtering is very fast.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by ryandrake »

op00to wrote: post #323
dmbche wrote: post #279

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Some people come to HN for interesting articles, many lists exists if you want to know what I mean. If, say, a third to two third of articles in any given frontpage, for multiple months to years, do not fit this description - can you see how one's ability to find what they are looking for gets hampered? Like yes, you can grow nice flowers on the beautiful fertile soil there, it just sucks we need to get rid of these…

Who are you to say whether an article is interesting to anyone else but yourself?

It’s not clear where you are trying to go with this aggressive line of questioning that puts words into other peoples mouths that they aren’t saying.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by ethbr1 »

Kiro wrote: post #309
ffsm8 wrote: post #90

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To begin with, this would be a non issue if HN just introduced something like user provided tags and users can vote for/against (to circumvent abuse) Then the people wanting to filter "x" could just do it via simple grease monkey scripts or if HN natively supported it. Sure, it wouldn't be perfect, but neither does it have to be.

No. HN is good as it is and I find it disrespectful when newcomers are demanding changes like this. There's a good reason the forum has stayed the same for almost 20 years.

> There's a good reason the forum has stayed the same for almost 20 years.

You mean like when vote changing was added?

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by GZGavinZhao »

dude187 wrote: post #301
GZGavinZhao wrote: post #175

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"tell me you like Haskell without telling me you like Haskell" moment

I mean, he basically said directly that he likes Haskell lol

Oh haha I meant his username ;)

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by fingerlocks »

gwbas1c wrote: post #299
gwbas1c wrote: post #223

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Hacker news, like everything in tech, is susceptible to hype. Today it's AI, a few years ago it was Bitcoin. I do think it's worthwhile to occasionally have a discussion about what content we want to see, and if a particular topic is getting too much attention. It's also totally reasonable for a group of people to not want their agenda hijacked. So, IMO, let the discussion continue. Let's see what comes out of it.

I should add: Many years ago I used to read a news site that was modeled after slashdot. One day the person running it decided to switch it to be community-moderated. Every day it was the same discussion over again, from someone who didn't bother to do a Google search or look at what was posted the day prior. After a week or so of seeing the same discussion over and over again, I stopped reading the news site. Needle…

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