The market is pretty horrible right now, in my experience. Speak to a recruiter and it should be a little easier to find something. I used to have roughly 1/2 of applications leading to interviews and around 3/4 of those leading to offers but this year had a 20 application dry streak. I think the market is pretty flooded with good talent from the large tech companies layoffs and the number of people going through boo…
good luck!
Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?
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Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?
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> Perks. We often meet directly with recruiters in person, and they have expense accounts and take us for lunch/drinks we don't have to pay for. This makes us want to keep using them over direct applications (yes recruiters, this 100% works, we won't use you if you're shit regardless but we'll 100% entertain looking at your candidates if you take us for lunch or drinks - check compliance limits before suggesting a ve…
Can't speak for that guy but there are definitely people who are well paid but who will go out of their way for free stuff. Don't really get it myself, I think typically such people are drastically undervaluing their time.
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It's the interest rate. Investment money is no longer (near) free.
Meanwhile companies are having record profits. What gives?
Companies are having record profits because they're reducing hiring and having layoffs.
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So much this - nearly every job I’ve gotten in tech has been due to knowing someone working there, or knowing someone who knows someone.
Interesting. Literally every job I’ve gotten was either through a recruiter or cold outreach.
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#335Reach out to people you've worked with in the past. After having five years of experience, you should have worked with at least a handful of people who need someone to fix another broken website. These could be managers, people on your team, people on OTHER teams, vendors, salespeople you've spoken to, anyone. Ideally, you should ALWAYS keep in contact with people you've worked with, even if it's just emailing them "…
Or random people from my past sending me happy birthday ever year.
I am probably not social enough to understand that, but that sounds like a lot of work just to stand out as kinda weird.
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> Perks. We often meet directly with recruiters in person, and they have expense accounts and take us for lunch/drinks we don't have to pay for. This makes us want to keep using them over direct applications (yes recruiters, this 100% works, we won't use you if you're shit regardless but we'll 100% entertain looking at your candidates if you take us for lunch or drinks - check compliance limits before suggesting a ve…
Can't speak for that guy but there are definitely people who are well paid but who will go out of their way for free stuff. Don't really get it myself, I think typically such people are drastically undervaluing their time.
Me: I'm not doing DIY, I'd rather pay someone competent than waste my time and energy.
Also Me: I'm getting 100% of the value from this perk goddammit it's free stuff who turns down free stuff.
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I don't know, why should we have to be "motivated" to get a job, when the company can just get rid of us at any time? What's the point? Seems like a double standard.
You could also leave the company at any point, so why should they hire you? There's got to be some give and take in a relationship with an employer. If you're feeling exploited, you're not in the right role. And that will show in the quality of your work. Work can be fun and interesting, and someone who enjoys what they do will relish the opportunity to learn. I know that for me interviewing, though tough, has always…
I mean that's a good attitude, but really some industrues and some fompanies are exploitative.
And I am not talking Cobalt mines or McDonalds. Look at the game industry- really good developers, much more skilled than average web dev, and they get shit pay and long hours. Why does anyone work there? People exploit their passion.
So they are orthogobal concepts - maybe you are passionate, and someone takes advantage of that
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So much this - nearly every job I’ve gotten in tech has been due to knowing someone working there, or knowing someone who knows someone.
I have around 13 years in the business but I suck at socializing and I'm thankful this hasn't been the case for me, I would be broke if I depended on acquaintances to find work, instead I just have landed positions by applying to offers found at LinkedIn and elsewhere.
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#339I hate to say this, stop applying. Find a recruiter on LinkedIn. This is what it has come to. There are thousands of resumes being sent at my company, yet the recruiter can't find anyone. Why? Because no one is applying through her link. The regular resume channel is reserved for bots at this point. Contact a person and you have more chances.
Depending on sector, you may find you only get traction through recruiters. I work in finance, almost everything is through third party recruiters and there are two reasons for this. 1. We are only allowed to hire through either an approved recruiter or the company job portal. The company job portal gets so many applications for each job it's absurd, and we have to sift these ourselves to some degree (HR are meant to…
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You'll have to forgive me here, I was only drawing on one experience when talking about being on the other side of things. So I am generalizing based only on one experience, however, with that said, I think the unfortunate reality is just that we as humans do bias toward wanting to hire people who are in fact able to communicate well and demonstrate their abilities to you. Even if someone is really smart, you have no…
> I think the unfortunate reality is just that we as humans do bias toward wanting to hire people who are in fact able to communicate well and demonstrate their abilities to you I mostly agree with your assessment, except I don't think that it's unfortunate at all. If applicants are so dense that no one can get along with them, those people, imo, should be removed from the team. It doesn't matter that you can 10x eve…
The problem discussed above was that some people are simply bad at handling the kind of stressful situations that interviews present them with. (Note, it's not necessarily about any stressful situation, just one where you're under intense scrutiny.) Hence, you can end up not hiring someone because they're struggling to show their skills in an interview, even though they'd be an excellent hire otherwise (including being a great team member). This is, indeed, unfortunate.