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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by aprdm »

l-p wrote: post #131

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You're new to Azure I guess. I'm glad the outage I had yesterday was only the third major one this year, though the one in august made me lose days of traffic, months of back and forth with their support, and a good chunk of my sanity and patience in face of blatant documented lies and general incompetence. One consume…

YES! We tried a big project in the cloud (many many many high end VMs), and Azure was SO unreliable. From BGP configs fuck ups to obscure bugs in their stack.

Their support was also amazing in the beginning.. but after they hooked you up... you're just a ticket in their system. Takes weeks to do fix something you could fix in minutes on-prems or that their black belt would get fixed in a very short amount of time in the beginning of the relationship.

Cloud isn't that magical unicorn!

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by Too »

andrewstuart wrote: post #27

Message to cloud providers: List what you do you have available so we can choose. Do not force users to randomly guess and be refused until eventually finding something available.

At bare minimum there should be a feature like "Give me any VM that closely resembles an E8s_v5 with at least 32G ram". Or "anything from these 4 approved types".

I don't always care if you give me a E8_v4 or a D8 instead, just give something. With all the 100 of variants of VMs that are available, finding an exact match is obviously an unnecessary constraint. Maybe they already simulate this behind the scenes, I don't know, though given the sizes are advertised with HW capabilities I'd imagine they can't really simulate a v4 using a v5 and vice versa.

Only place I've seen compute be treated this fluidly is in Container instance, which is a bad choice for many many other reasons.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by vipull »

I’M. having a tough time ALso, with microsofft.

They seem to IIgnoRe, then repent.: finally APologgise.:(

I think u should switch to a new COMpuute. GCc.-pp.??

When we were running our own compute back in 09: and resources ran out or were unreliable, we cld shOUt at the server maintainer and/OOr install better hardware oUUrselves. NOt-THE.case anymore.:( :((

-Vip

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by aprdm »

ckdarby wrote: post #319
l-p wrote: post #131

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You're new to Azure I guess. I'm glad the outage I had yesterday was only the third major one this year, though the one in august made me lose days of traffic, months of back and forth with their support, and a good chunk of my sanity and patience in face of blatant documented lies and general incompetence. One consume…

> One consumer-grade fiber link is enough to serve my company's traffic and with two months of what we pay MS for their barely working cloud I could buy enough hardware to host our product for a year of two of sustained growth. I don't believe that is even remotely correct. It isn't the pricing you should be worried about but the staffing, redundancy, and 24/7 operations staff. I'm dealing with AWS and on-prem. On-pr…

Depending on your scale, things are really not that complicated. If you can run your company from a single machine, having two for redundancy, and two internet links for redundancy, will likely go a loooooooooong way until something bad happens...

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by ksec »

Worth repeating again, AWS, Azure and GCP are all adding capacity, and new Datacenter as fast as they could. We have enough demand to drive the next two generation of leading edge node. That is TSMC N3 and N2. And I assume it will be similar in N1.4 or 14A.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by kthejoker2 »

solatic wrote: post #156
jakear wrote: post #49

People saying "shame on you for not being multi-region" are missing the point: This is a German company with German customers subject to German data residency laws. For them to store German data in a region besides Germany requires getting informed consent from the "data subject", who must be "pre-informed about the potential risks involved in cross-border data transfer". [1] This is why Azure has a dedicated German…

No reason why Azure can't run multiple "regions" within Germany proper. Their current region is in Frankfurt; no reason why they couldn't launch regions in Munich or Hamburg as well. Then German companies could go multi-region while staying fully compliant with German data sovereignty laws.

Really? "No reason"? You can't think of one rea$on?

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by jerpint »

marcinzm wrote: post #225
Twirrim wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth pointing out that every cloud is the same when it comes to capacity / capacity risk. They all apply a lot of time and effort to figuring out the optimal amount of capacity to order based on track record of both customer demand and supply chain satisfaction. Too much capacity is money spent getting no return, up front capex, ongoing opex, physical space in facilities etc. On cloud scales (averaged out over…

In my experience there are differences between clouds so while all have the same basic problem in practice some may be better than others. I've never had issues getting GPUs on AWS but GCP constantly has issues with GPU/TPU capacity.

I worked on a project about a year ago where we would have a colleague in a different time zone start instances with 4 gpus because it would almost always be unavailable during regular work hours for us-east

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by runamok »

I don't have much knowledge about azure but is it possible to add different instant types and/or sizes? E. g. in the EC2 world if AWS was out of m5.xlarge I would try to add a worker group with m6.xlarge or m4.xlarge. If that did not work I might try to replace my xlarge with 2xlarge...

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by moralestapia »

Twirrim wrote: post #211
l-p wrote: post #131

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You're new to Azure I guess. I'm glad the outage I had yesterday was only the third major one this year, though the one in august made me lose days of traffic, months of back and forth with their support, and a good chunk of my sanity and patience in face of blatant documented lies and general incompetence. One consume…

It's worth pointing out that every cloud is the same when it comes to capacity / capacity risk. They all apply a lot of time and effort to figuring out the optimal amount of capacity to order based on track record of both customer demand and supply chain satisfaction. Too much capacity is money spent getting no return, up front capex, ongoing opex, physical space in facilities etc. On cloud scales (averaged out over…

Never happened to me in AWS.

Wasn't the whole point of "the cloud" that these things shouldn't happen?

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by [deleted] »

xwowsersx wrote: post #279
astrostl wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Multi-cloud from the outset" is probably the single-worst generic cloud advice that I think anyone could be given. In professional cloud consulting the rule of thumb is to do one cloud with excellence until you even think about another one. And even that is really just kicking the conversational can, as both becoming excellent and actually needing multi-cloud combined is one-in-a-billion.

Who are you quoting? I said "multi-region from the outset" and later acknowledged that multi-cloud would probably be overkill.

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