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Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I've found it easy to stop a great deal of such behaviors by examining not what they promise to deliver, but what they actually brought. I.e. don't look forward, look backward when making decisions. Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I'v…

>Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets.

The level of simplicity being applied here suggests to me you've never been an alcoholic nor spent much time with alcoholics. This advice is at the same level of "just think positively" when addressing depression; it's almost laughably out of touch and unhelpful.

It's great that you find it easy to exhibit such control over your behaviors, but it's important to remember that the reason alcohol is the most widely abused drug in history is because to the vast, vast majority of people, an 'easy' internal examination isn't enough to permanently change one's behavior.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I had been drinking almost every evening for the past year. It was only a few bottles of beer or a bottle of wine but it was enough to make me groggy in the morning.

I found it real hard going to a supermarket without going down the alcohol aisle - there are always deals going on.

Just recently, I realized I was gaining weight, so started watching what I eat. As alcohol always made me binge eat I 'simply' did not go down the alcohol aisle on the next shopping trip. I put simply in quotes because it took me real effort to avoid it. Without alcohol in the house, the choice to drink has been taken away from me.

I have basically gone cold turkey and drink tea/water instead.

Honestly, I thought I would have had a more difficult time but it hasn't fazed me in the slightest.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I've found it easy to stop a great deal of such behaviors by examining not what they promise to deliver, but what they actually brought. I.e. don't look forward, look backward when making decisions. Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I'v…

Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets.

I drink alcohol at least 2 or 3 times a week. I can't remember the last time I had a hangover. I just don't drink an excessive amount.

Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets.

I eat junk food a few times every month. I'm above average on most health metrics.

Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I've never once regretted it.

I don't go to the gym. I do lead a reasonably active lifestyle though.

Reading a book promises struggling and boredom. It delivers wisdom and inspiration. I've never once regretted it.

I give up on books that aren't interesting within the first chapter. There are lots of books I regret wasting time on.

There's no simple 'rules' or 'logic' to having a fun lifestyle that means you get the most out of your time on Earth. You can be fit, healthy, and enjoy things while drinking, eating some junk, and never going to the gym. Life is made up of many, many variables, and what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for the next person.

Do your own thing. Figure out your own life. Let others figure out theirs.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets Sure, but simply ignoring the time in between where alcohol effectively does deliver a great time, and which is for many people the addictive aspect of it, isn't exactly easy. Or at least not quite as easy as downplaying the hangover and regrets, as addicts often do. And since your core advice is basically not to misjudge, it's extra weird to me t…

Ultimately, pleasures and hardships fade, what remains at the end is what we accomplished and what we regret. That is, the very memories I'm suggesting you use to evaluate your habits. You had a good time at a party once. Great. Are you really still enjoying that good time? Not likely. You climbed a mountain another time. You were tired and it was very difficult. Are you still exhausted months later? Not likely. But…

climbing a mountain might be completely unmemorable for one person and going to a party could be that thing to others. I do not know anyone who ever brings up their friend who climbed a mountain (and I know a handful of people who do) but I can recall many stories of people at parties doing insert wacky memorable activity.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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AA. it's the only thing that worked for me. i needed to be around people that supported me , not influenced or pressured me. i was lucky to find the right home group and the right people in the program. they tell you not to judge people when you come in, but i'm sorry, do that. there are good people in the program but they are hard to find. find them and your chances of success increase. i did that by going to _alot_ of different meetings at different places and meeting a ton of people. in the end, i don't even think about drinking and i find i can handle things alot better in my life.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Spaniard here. Social drinking is very much a thing in Spain. However, most social drinking is light or moderate: walk to a nearby bar, have two beers with the family or with close friends (with free tapas, which accounts for dinner), then walk back home. In rare occasions (at least in my personal experience) things degenerate and one goes out for "just one beer" and gets back home at 5am with a vague recollection of…

Are the prices higher for a drink in the free tapas bars? I mean, no such thing as a free lunch, but this article shows that a drink is like 5 euros and you get a little meal with that, which seems like a great deal. In Germany I'd have to pay at least 5 euros per 0.5 liters of beer in average locations. Yes, the article is 7 years old and Spain is a little cheaper to live in and we have high inflation but it still s…

A 25 cl beer + a small pork loin sandwich with a few potato chips is 2€ in my hometown in Spain.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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A few years ago my friend stayed with me for two weeks and he was doing “no alcohol August” just to see how he felt, and I joined him. I realized that I felt way better most of the time. I wasn’t drinking much before that, but even one IPA with dinner would make me feel super foggy the next day and sometimes anxious.

Otherwise I’m similar to you - I love the taste of beer and cocktails.

So I basically said after that I’d only have a drink if I really, really wanted one. At first, maybe this was once a week. Slowly, as I got better at saying no and listening to my body and realizing I could go without and still have a good time, I started having it less and less. A few years later, I have maybe one drink every three to six months and usually will drink it so slowly that it barely has an effect. If it starts to feel like a downer, I stop drinking it - doesn’t matter that I spent the money on it.

For what it’s worth I’ve found the “only when I really want it” strategy helpful for stopping other habits too - that’s how I slowly became vegetarian, for example.

I think a huge part of this too is that it gets around “hating yourself when you fail”, because there isn’t really failure with this way of thinking. It’s typical to have all or nothing thinking around this kind of thing - “oh, I had one drink, now I’m off the wagon”, or “I had one pastry, might as well give up on my diet”. But there is no wagon! That’s something you make up. There’s just the choice you have in front if you. If you have alcohol one night, it doesn’t mean you failed, or got off the wagon - it just means you had alcohol one night. That has nothing to do with whether you’ll have alcohol again the next night.

On a more practical alcohol specific note, I loved finding out that craft nonalcoholic beers like ones from Athletic Brewing Company, Untitled Arts, and Rescue Club are actually quite good and can hit the spot of having a beer for me! If I’m at a bar, I’ll sometimes order a seltzer with a splash of bitters if I want something that looks and tastes a little like a cocktail to avoid questions but I don’t really care about getting asked questions anymore.

And then again a big aspect is the social piece - hopefully you have supportive friends who don’t care that you don’t drink. It does take some getting used to in social situations to just explain “Yeah, drinking just made me feel shitty so I slowly stopped and now I rarely drink.” Over time I’ve learned to have a lot of fun sober though - even to dance comfortably. But I’ve also learned that what my dad used to tell me back in high school is actually kind of true - that if something is only fun because you’re drinking, it’s probably not worth doing!

Best of luck with your adventures! Let me know if you have any questions.

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