No code has the potential to be a Visual Basic for the enterprise for tasks that are cookie cutter. However the adoption cost is very high for tools like Appian.
Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
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Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#332It remains to see whether low code is truly a paradigm shift or another option.
Frankly I don't think it is completely snake oil, but it has been grossly oversold.
One issue is that a lot of the licensing out there is either costly or has other limitations that you can never quite work around, without having to write code anyway, if you even -can-.
Many of these vendors also have slightly different licensing options compared to the competition, which means there's likely to be fragmentation based on business size/segment.
Microsoft's solution is likely to be the most widely deployed, since IIRC their Office 365 licensing either included it for free or it was an inconsequential upcharge.
Much of the Buzz that I saw about No Code in the last few years was almost certainly a result of marketing efforts. When one employer went shopping for a solution, the sales/demo pitches we got as a potential customer felt like much of the content was dual-use for investors.
But here's the reality; a lot of businesses don't want to deal with access control/provisioning/support costs, so a lot of the time organizations buy solutions but still only allow the developers/BAs access to them.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, I hear people give as examples "excel", "visualbasic", and all I can think of is "wow, these are wildly successful technologies that improved the lives of millions of people" Also, these types of technologies do not reduce demand for real programmers. And a desire to deploy them - effectively to make a product more "programmable" by end users - may not be rooted in a desire to replace developers, but ra…
I know a guy that had the best thing ever happen to his career, because of this. Back in the last century, he was a well-paid employee of a bank (C++). He managed a group of experienced engineers. The bank wanted to roll out a new product, and they asked him to submit a bid from his group. He specced out a reasonable 18-month plan for a C++ project. A Vice-President then stepped in, and yanked the project, stating th…
That's a great story! And it makes a lot of sense - you are getting people used to thinking about automation, demanding automation, and trying to deploy automation to more places than before. You are also creating all sorts of APIs exposed by documents and making things more scriptable.
That's going to increase demand for developers of all languages, even if some of that demand consists of hiring professionals when people recognize they are in over their head with one of these scripting languages, or that they've stretched their existing tools and it's time for a more powerful tool.
The downside is horror stories of developers being called in to fix a tangled mess of VB macros. But there's also gold to be mined in those hills.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#334If the code can't be ported to other environments or it's not open source than it's "not-code". These are tools to get specific tasks done and I don't think they're replaceing code. They're replacing other less compatible tools.
It's funny that in all this thread there is no mention of MS Access. One of the best no code tools there is, and you can find millions of application in many industries based on Access.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#335This comes up when engineers are expensive, and goes away when they are cheap. It's hard to build a competitive edge when your app is identical to everyone elses and you can't make any fundamental changes due to the framework you're using.
Now that being said, there are a ton of "apps" that really shouldn't need to be coded if you aren't making a competitive go of things.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#336Two amazing tools out there 1) oracle apex and 2) bubble.io
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#337It's been there for a while now with wix, wordpress (divi, elementor), etc. It does solve some problems, for the right people.
I don't think it's a movement that will gain popularity more than it is right now, most people who use it for a while will realise its limit and either hire a software dev or jump into coding.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#338I don't think they're going to allow non-developers to do much because you have to grasp the concepts of software development to use them effectively.
With that in mind, for quick/dirty things they're great. I've thrown together proofs of concept in NodeRed in 45 minutes that would otherwise take hours / days of boilerplate.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#339I am an engineer with 20+ years of hands on keyboard, I've got projects that are now part of Apache, 1000's of stars on github. I've been CTO at a number of startups that have got significant funding. My point is to establish some credibility. I probably still suck. Having said that, I have been working with Microsoft PowerAutomate for the past 1.5 years and while it has saved a lot of time and been overall a good ex…
> I wish I could just "drop into code" to get something done. Since you're using PowerPlatform you can prob easily do that with Microsoft's Power FX, built - I believe - especially for this. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-platform/power-fx/ove...
thank you for pointing this out! Microsoft is so vast in its offerings, sometimes you can't even find the thing you believe must exist.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you trying to diminish his accomplishments? Does that make you feel better, to try to bring someone down? You come off as bitter and unaccomplished and this site could use less of people like you.
Humble-bragging either works real well or backfires real hard.
It was not meant to be a humble brag, sorry if it came off that way.