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Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#331
so, uh, I have similar issues, and you know what works for me?

Going into a physical office with a professional middle manager.

I mean, assuming I find a place where I'm a good fit (meaning, my technical abilities make it worth the time of the middle manager to manage me) it works really well, because the job of the middle manager is, essentially, to make people like me work; Because I honestly want to be useful, I think that often said middle managers feel good about the whole thing, too, because I really do get more done under their guidance. They feel useful, I feel useful, etc...

The other thing is that I go through periods of strong productivity and of very weak productivity. This is... acceptable in industry. Ok, so you have some unemployed time, but that's okay because when you are really productive, the remuneration is pretty great.

Also, on the ADHD side? for me? this is after getting the medication. It helps... a lot. but I still benefit more from having a middle manager than most people do, I think.

Append: more on medicalizing your shit:

We live in an age where we spend a huge amount of our GDP on medical care. We have amazing solutions for a lot of problems. Take advantage of this, because when medical science has a good solution, it's often super easy and effective.

Sleep apnea, for instance, is easy to test for and easy to treat, and if it goes untreated? Really fucks up your attention span (and your cardiovascular system) It's one of those things where modern medical science has a quick, cheap and easy mechanical fix.

There's a bunch of other crap like that, too. I personally would go for the sleep apnea test before I messed around too much with medications; not that medications are bad, but if you have it, treating sleep apnea is an unalloyed good, (well, getting mask fit setup is... difficult, but that's mostly a matter of buying the masks and trying them; a small matter of money on a software dev salary) while most medications have pluses and minuses that need to be carefully weighed, even once you've found the one that is best for you.

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#334

I can relate a lot. I'm still burning through self-motivation hacks at 35, some of which are helping while most don't. Eventually, the hack with by far the largest impact (which brought me to currently being cofounder and CTO of one of the more successful German startups) was realizing that while I simply suck at self-motivating, I never had a problem getting stuff done when working for others. I effortlessly produce…

Practice self love.. (very good to do, but ) it made me think, doesn’t this all have much to do with not being able to impress oneself anymore?

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#335
I find the following helps:

- Changing my routine seems to kick off my ability to focus

- I have a sit-stand desk. Using it standing seems to help my focus, but changing between sitting and standing can bump my motivation.

- For clients starting and stopping a timer helps me focus.

- For clients and my own projects I use Pivotal Tracker to order tasks. It helps me break stuff down into smaller parts and to keep track of what I'm doing and helps me to avoid wondering what to do. I use it even though clients have their own project management solutions, I only use it for what I'm doing.

- I've never found rewards/punishments to be particularly effective.

- Unfortunately (because I'm from the North of England) I find that the better the weather the more motivation I have for just about everything.

edit I forgot to mention, fasting helps me focus too, even for long periods. Could just be the change of routine.

What I will say is that I've not cured what sounds very much like what you suffer from, just generated ways of dealing with it, more or less.

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#336
In my case, it helps to stick to habits. Habits that are device, cloths and location specific.

The biggest one is probably my computer at home. It only exists for gaming. When I'm inside my gaming room to enjoy a gaming session, nothing else gets close to me and I forget about everything as soon I step into this room.

Another thing is, that I have cloths to relax, to go out and to go to work. As soon I change into my plain white shirt with collar, my brain probably switches to work mode.

The third is similar to the first habit. Going to work and being there is also a 'swtich' and I can concentrate.

I was a freelancer too and I had a hard time to work at home. My computer was always just a room away and just going in there for a 'short' gaming session was too easy.

So basically this is my advice: Go and buy a different computer than the one for gaming, shower in the morning and change into your business attire. Leave the house and go somewhere boring and quiet. The last part is the hardest since everything gets interesting depending on how much you have to overcome your habit. Your brain tries to fill your enjoyable habits with new enjoyable habits, instead of the 'boring' work. This is probably why so many smoke - it creates a enjoyable habit of doing 'nothing', which is better than working.

I hope this helps a bit. :-)

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#337
post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if you can pay a CEO salary. That is literally the job of a CEO. He executes. People argue that money is never as good a motivator as true passion is. I am not taking sides on that matter, it is just something to consider.

I don't normally think the default "he" as a singular gender-neutral pronoun is a big deal but in this case when describing the ideal of a CEO I would suggest that you use the singular "they" or "he/she" or risk giving the impression of promoting outdated gender roles

LMAO wow

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#338
Spend more time away from the computer and work related! Increase your rates, so that we you do work you earn more. Through empiric studies on myself, from working 10-15 hours/day 7 times a week I found out that I actually get more done if I just work 8 hours per day and take the weekends off.

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#339
I used to do alot of self-motivation hacks, but ultimately threw everything out the door because they were unsustainable and tiring. I eventually noticed that if I was helping people, I didn't need any kind of motivation. I do things because I care. Perhaps you could try the same approach?

In the first summer that I couldn't get a coding internship (in college), I taught my friend who didn't have a coding background how to code. I taught my girlfriend at the time how to code. I started a meetup group and taught everyone I could. As they got better, I started to learn new things to teach. When I took on contract projects, I talked it over with my trusted friends and we solve the projects together. They were getting better through the projects I take up and my projects became a little more fun to work on.

Now, fast forward a few years, many of the people I taught are now senior software engineers. I still meet up with them a few times a week to talk about new coding patterns, discuss work projects, and help each other get better.

For me, the mindset shift I needed to do was to start thinking about how I can help others around me and make sure I'm helping them effectively.

Re: Ask HN: Is it 'normal' to struggle so hard with work?

#340
>This question might come across as dumb, especially for a 30 year old, but I come from a culture where this aspect of work was never emphasized and at this point, I don't know who to ask.

Off topic, Could anyone point to a place where you could ask for advice of life? It seems once we are in the 30s, there are more questions then answers then when i was in 20s.

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