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(I'm not a lawyer; I'm not your lawyer; this is not legal advice.)
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This simply isn't true. I received a >$30,000 raise at one of my previous employers after they realized that I was being grossly underpaid for the work I was doing. Granted, I had to bring my managers' attention to this, but they were understanding & did right by me.
Your anecdote is the exception to the rule. I've been in the industry for 20 years and can affirm the rule: you don't get raises from your current employer. You get raises by changing employers.
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Most of the time, when your employer truly thinks that about you, they'll work on your improvement informally. I don't like saying this, but I think most people's best interests are served by the assumption that a PIP signals their employer's transition from "working to retain them" to "working to manage them out of the company".
On the off-chance they're doing that because your performance is abysmal and you haven't improved enough from their informal intervention, if in PIP you managed to finally recover your performance, maybe they will let you stay a bit longer.
- 4 years of experience - Non-native English - They sponsored my H1B application - 145k base - 20k bonus yrs 1 and 2 - 100 RSUs - 15k relocation bonus, 10k extra for relocation expenses. And they give me a full container to move my stuff. - Male
This is perfect timing as Google Seattle is hiring around 1000 devs and promotions are being revealed in April. I used a throwaway account, but I'm sure I'm identifiable by this information if my manager sees this. I'm not too concerned. I think it's in Amazon's and the employees' best interest for this stuff to be transparent. Besides that, while I like my work, I can easily get an offer from Google, Facebook or pre…
> 140 RSU (granted at signing, almost none vested) Is it still the ridiculous 5-10% year 1, 5-10% year 2, and then the rest spread out over years 3-4?
Position: Developer (not web)
Age: 25-30
Tenure: 2 years
Initial Salary: $105,000
Current Salary: $120,000
Signing Bonus: 20,000 shares, vesting over 4 years (Taking into account current valuation and strike price, assume stock is worth, to me, ~$0.50/share)
Annual Bonus: None
Additional stock since hiring: 25,000 shares, vesting over 4 years
Gender: M
Native English Speaker: Yes
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Revealing that would reveal my identity so I can't say the company name. I ended up going to a mid sized startup in SF (50-100 people) that was very very well funded and had a ton of potential along with one of the best teams I've seen. I'm still there and love every second of it and am being given amazing opportunities that I know I wouldn't have gotten at Amazon. Ironically I got paid more on every single vector (b…
To be fair, SF is significantly more expensive to live in than Seattle. MSFT gives something like a blanket ~10% higher offer to SV-area employees for this reason.
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Yeah that helps, but then the question is do you really want to work somewhere that directly ties your compensation to the company's share price? If Amazon has a few bad quarters and you lose 20% of your yearly income that's a major deal. In Seattle you probably want to be making around $120-160k/yr to live a solid middle class life, afford a house, etc. I would still look around at MS, Google, etc. where they give y…
I find tying my income to stock highly motivating :)
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FWIW I am basically in the same situation. My base pay is in the same region you describe for yours, and I rarely see offers that are even 80% of what my salary expectation is, let alone other forms of compensation and other benefits. I am in scientific computing and machine learning, and I actually love being an implementer and a coder. I don't want to be a people manager (mostly because I think all companies force…
> I rarely see offers that are even 80% of what my salary expectation is I'm suspicious that this is a silent-evidence phenomenon. I'd assume that the duration a job listing is up correlates inversely proportional to the compensation. If that's true, all the great paying jobs are optically invisible.
A fair amount of the interviews I accept come from unsolicited head hunters seeking me out, and even then the reveal-your-salary thing is a huge sticking point. And even when it hasn't been, I've still been let down by the ultimate salary offers.
I heard once that you should budget 1 month of job searching for every $10,000 of compensation you seek, and maybe more once you are seeking high-level bonuses. That's easily been true in my case. You also have to put up with horrid HR people who are quite simply just rude to you, and lots of degrading "dance monkey dance" whiteboard and coding puzzles and hazing, and demoralizing cross country interview trips that you have to muster the ability to put your whole self into but which you cynically know in your heart of hearts that it's a waste of time.