Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

321–330 of 401 posts

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#321

Post by emporas »

Lerc wrote: post #27

I have seen this question asked on subreddits, Not about AI, but for other topics that some people dislike. They always seem to take the form of "Should we divide this group into A and B, A stays here and B goes over there and that way everybody is happy" Invariably the person who proposes this wants to remain in group A and will not be a participant in group B. To me this seems like the subtext is "Those people are…

It must have been somewhat the same when chess engines started to beat human players. The chess community should be fairly divided about the usefulness of such a tool. After a while things settled down, and all players use the tool in some way or another.

Some chess players benefited more from the tool than others. I always analyze my games carefully with an engine after the game. After less than 10 years I managed to get from zero to almost master level. I attribute that to extensive engine analysis I put on my games afterwards.

The user needs to know how to use the engine, LLM or chess engine, when it makes sense to use it, what are the shortcomings of the tool and so on.

LLMs are game changers, and AI's ability to distinguish the signal from noise is marvelous. Will it be a game changer like it is now for chess, a very narrow game compared to everything else, remains to be seen.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#322

Post by Narishma »

jmull wrote: post #287

From my perspective HN has always had certain themes I find overly repetitive and boring. I just whack “hide” on those and never think of them again.

When a quarter or more of the front page is stories about those themes, you'll be doing a lot of whacking.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#323

Post by op00to »

dmbche wrote: post #279
op00to wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who’s forcing you to read the AI articles?

Some people come to HN for interesting articles, many lists exists if you want to know what I mean. If, say, a third to two third of articles in any given frontpage, for multiple months to years, do not fit this description - can you see how one's ability to find what they are looking for gets hampered? Like yes, you can grow nice flowers on the beautiful fertile soil there, it just sucks we need to get rid of these…

Who are you to say whether an article is interesting to anyone else but yourself?

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#324

Post by shusaku »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #228

Weird that people are floating the idea of kicking out of a tech forum the most important tech development of the last 10 years. Not sure what that means about the community, but must mean something.

A lot of people on the internet have turned hating AI into a personality.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#325

Post by voxl »

simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

[flagged]

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#326

Post by op00to »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #292
simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

I think there is a fundamental disconnect in this response. What the user is asking for is for a procedural and cultural change. What you’ve come up with is a technical solution that kind of mimics a cultural change. I don’t think it’s wrong, but I also don’t think we can really “AI generate” our way into better communities.

Simonw’s response is the right response. You should not bend the community to your will simply because you do not like the majority of the posts. Obviously many people do like those posts, as evidenced by them making the front page. Instead, find ways to avoid the topics you do not desire to read without forcing your will on people who are happy with the current state.

Let me stop folks early, don’t make comparisons to politics or any bullshit like that. We’re talking only about hacker news here.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#327

Post by bluefirebrand »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #265
bluefirebrand wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wish that there was a good place to talk about interesting stuff with people online that was a bit more resistant to both the extreme hype and the extreme pessimism HN threads very often feel like whichever side posted first winds up dominating the thread, it's bizarre I see the comments on some articles that are massively pro AI all upvoted to the top, then the comments on another article and it's all the negat…

Yeah this has been the worst development in HN culture as HN has grown in my experience. To make things worse the extremity of the hype and pessimism just creates a huge flamewar where each side is dedicated to using the worst strawmen to undermine the other side. Personally I just started treating this site as a sophisticated shitposting place and started actually talking about tech in group chats with friends who w…

> Personally I just started treating this site as a sophisticated shitposting place and started actually talking about tech in group chats with friends who work in the industry

Yeah... I think this is probably smart. I wish I had that, I don't have a lot of friends in the industry

Something to work

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

#330

Post by yen223 »

flakiness wrote: post #314
waterhouse wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=512145 "We've had a huge spike in traffic lately, from roughly 24k daily uniques to 33k. This is a result of being mentioned on more mainstream sites [...] You can help the spike subside by making HN look extra boring. For the next couple days it would be better to have posts about the innards of Erlang [...]" "Ok, ok, enough Erlang submissions. You guys are like the crowdsourced…

This is a great little anthropology work of you. Thanks for taking time to find this out!

Here's what the frontpage looked like on the day of Erlang:

https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2009-03-11

Post reply on HN