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Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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It's interesting how so many people have an aversion to being a business owner / entrepreneur, and will instead put in so much effort to optimize being a well-paid employee, instead of learning how to start and run a business. These salaries listed are great salaries, no doubt, but they are not dramatically more than say, a guy running a successful local plumbing business. And the ceiling is limited as an employee, w…

> I mean a SAAS that solves a boring problem for other businesses with money to spend. Profitable software-based ideas are increasingly difficult to find. Thousands of people are exploring every niche and trying to start startups in them, which is great, but competition is fierce and unexplored niches are shrinking. And of course, it's still not straightforward even if you find a relatively unexplored niche. Most peo…

One word. Hardware.

There is limitless opportunity outside of the webtech/adtech bullshit bubble. Go create a hardware startup, it's never been easier. It's still harder than adtech bullshit was 10 years ago, but the turnkey manufacturing industry is faaaar better than all the "hardware is hard" weekly blogspam would lead you to believe.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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You make it sound so easy. I've ran small businesses for most of my career and I've never made more than a quarter of what I currently make working as a contractor (ironically, for a business I once started, now owned by someone else). And most of the time I earned 5-10% of that.

I'm not sure how I made it sound so easy, because presumably getting a 250k job at a FAANG isn't easy either. Which is what my point was - if you're going to deal with the time and stress to get one of the most desirable jobs, why not use that same time and effort to build a business?

Because it's a lot more predictable. Put in the necessary effort and you are almost guaranteed to get a FAANG job. And the best part, it's completely clear where that effort needs to be directed. Yes, you need to have the smarts, but for a business that pays as much you need to have a lot more than that, plus luck. I'm all for entrepreneurship and personally couldn't work for one of those companies, but with FAANG salaries being this high I don't think those people are making an irrational choice at all.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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I also came from a place with unlimited and I loved it. Makes me wonder if the people that regurgitate the notion that it's a trap actually have worked in places with unlimited.

There are three situations from what I've seen, one is toxic workplaces where PTO is closely tracked and people who use it are punished (socially or otherwise). That happens more often in unlimited PTO places, but absolutely happens in places with traditional PTO plans too. Second you have the more common situation where without a use-it-or-lose-it resource people end up taking less PTO than they would normally, this…

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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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What would be one piece of advice to keep in one's head for a young, aspiring entrepreneur/dev?

Don't go looking for ideas. Either build for yourself or build for the obvious market gap in your industry. Anything else has a high failure rate.

Solid advice, I'm doing that, building the thing at the moment. Any thoughts on marketing and getting those first few clients?

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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Apparently this belief is far more common than I thought. I expected it to be closer to the percentage of Americans who think the Earth is flat (10%)[0]. Evidently 50% of Americans[1] believe you pay your highest marginal rate on all of your income. I'm blown away, and genuinely humbled. I don't understand how someone can get a Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac home loan, raise children, have a long and successful career and no…

It was preached to me that this was how it worked since I started working in the mid-90s. I didn't learn better until an accountant friend clarified that when I got him to do my taxes when I started making real money in the mid-00s. I dare say that it was probably the most common understanding until fairly recently. The internet has probably helped a lot with that. That is to say, if you're of a certain generation yo…

Who was preaching it to you?

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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overemployment in multiple 100k-150k year full remote jobs as a sr engineer 2 is easy to do, 3 is manageable. I've heard of people doing more than 3, but most I've personally seen someone do is 3.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted - this is literally what two of the people I know do. They actually make more than what I make at a FAANG. The real kicker? One of their jobs is a contractual position and so they opened up a business for it and hiring family members as employees to save on taxes. So the take home pay is actually higher than me.

Doing so however carries a lot of risk and one needs to have a certain mentality to be able to actually do it (I certainly don't have that).

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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> Because the stress and risks of running a small business as a solo inexperienced first time business owner are insane compared to a regular 9-5. Believe it or not you get over this. It’s kind of like the fear of going up on stage to give a presentation. Some people get an addictive rush, these are usually serial entrepreneurs who just love to be in charge because they have no problems with risk/stress tolerance (mo…

> Everyone should attempt to start a small business or a side consulting gig. Failing that, you should strive to make it to VP-suite Utter horse shit. I want to earn enough to live without too many worries, and spend time with friends and family. Being able to leave at 5 is irreplaceable

I don't think there are many places in tech where an employee can leave at 5 and expect to keep their job.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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It's interesting how so many people have an aversion to being a business owner / entrepreneur, and will instead put in so much effort to optimize being a well-paid employee, instead of learning how to start and run a business. These salaries listed are great salaries, no doubt, but they are not dramatically more than say, a guy running a successful local plumbing business. And the ceiling is limited as an employee, w…

Started a business doing 1M annual recurring. I have plenty of reasons why it’s more advantageous. • When times get tough, cofounders playing chicken to see who can take the lowest salary • Giving yourself the lowest pay to prevent income loss of your employees • Always having to hunt for sales to maintain your survival (which is typically nebulous and subject to when they feel like signing) • HR and always trying to…

Just went through a lot of these, and can confidently say: way way more dangerous to own a company than be a part of one. Significantly less fun, however. I believe it comes down to personality type.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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An educative reply is easier to ignore than a (or multiple) replies in which you're ridiculed. Moreover, being thought about how you're wrong about X might not necessarily translate in the subject being more careful before confidently expressing themselves on a Y topic on which they don't know anything about. Hopefully, ridiculing might make the subject reconsider that part of their character. That said, the HN polic…

The pile of downvotes drives the point home. No need to ridicule, education is better. If you can't educate the poster, at least you educate other readers who also didn’t know, without the unnecessary noise of ridicule.

I don’t think I see the same pile of downvotes that you’re seeing? My comment of ridicule got +10 votes in 15 minutes before I edited it, and now is down to +9 an hour after editing the ridicule out.

I see that “Calm down. It's a common misconception” did get downvoted.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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post #36

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What would be one piece of advice to keep in one's head for a young, aspiring entrepreneur/dev?

When someone online tells you they made millions, you have no obligation to believe them.

Best advice in this entire comment thread. Everyone on HN makes $2M/yr, has a vacation home in Tahoe and drives three Ferraris.
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