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Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by throwawaymypot »

tinktank wrote: post #116
throwawaymypot wrote: post #107

(Throw away account for obvious reasons) I experienced this. Due to various undiagnosed mental health issues I ended up with a serious record in the UK - a total of 15 charges, all computer related. Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of…

Sorry to hear all of this. Did you end up in Europe or did you have to go further?

South Africa first then back to Europe after 5yrs.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by ecmascript »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #71
ecmascript wrote: post #27

Maybe move to another state or country? If nothing else helps I guess that could be your best option.

What country would allow a documented felon to live there?

Many countries in Europe have had immigration without any control what so ever for years so I guess all of them?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by throwawaymypot »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #137
bigbillheck wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of something else I can't remember. What did you actually do, and what did they get you for? > 5 years of something else I can't remember. Just speaking for myself, I feel like I'd remember something…

I'm okay not knowing the details. I'm not reacting to you or the parent here. I'm just weary of society being compulsively hostile toward redemption. Let the past be there.

The point about being hostile by default is precisely what pushed me towards suicide attempts. Without any context it's very easy to jump to conclusions. Few people consider it might be a zebra not a horse when they hear the sound of hooves.

Some people cannot live with actions they have done; others feel they cannot live with the limited options available in the future. I was the latter.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by mattclarkdotnet »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #255
nope00 wrote: post #49

Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

26 years ago, I was charged with a felony in CA. I pled nolo contendre to a misdemeanor and received court probation; no other penalties. I recently underwent an extensive background check with my longtime employer and the case still showed up. Of course I had allocuted to it in advance and it was not a problem.

I was hiring for a role in Australia, and had to sign off an exception because the preferred candidate had an unpaid speeding ticket in California.

On the other hand we definitely hired people without speeding tickets who were likely deep agents for foreign states.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by throwawaymypot »

bigbillheck wrote: post #122
throwawaymypot wrote: post #107

(Throw away account for obvious reasons) I experienced this. Due to various undiagnosed mental health issues I ended up with a serious record in the UK - a total of 15 charges, all computer related. Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of…

> Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of something else I can't remember. What did you actually do, and what did they get you for? > 5 years of something else I can't remember. Just speaking for myself, I feel like I'd remember something…

During a manic phase of bipolar I thought I had a great idea to support my application to join the police as a forensic investigator.

Quite ironic really.

Due to the unusual nature of my case the judge excluded from all the usual mandatory courses during probation.

Convictions included "making of, "possession of", "distribution of" (a few others I can't remember) CSAM. A single P2P file ticks all three boxes.

People always assume the above includes "looking at" however that was not the case. I was interested in metadata and had absolutely no desire to see things which cannot be unseen.

The purpose for acquiring the data was not sexual in nature.

But with no context people always think the worst.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by lazyasciiart »

HenryBemis wrote: post #320
nope00 wrote: post #49

Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

> I do NOT recommend being upfront I re-binged "Last Week Tonight" a month ago. There is an episode on the prison system in the USA and the obstacles people face upon release. I remember one case where the person wrote on his job application as employed by the "State of " while he was in prison. (it must be this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY ). I haven't been convicted of any crimes, so I don't…

A felony will block migration through most channels.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by lazyasciiart »

randomdata wrote: post #200
digital_sawzall wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What percentage of the vulnerabilities discovered are independently discovered by multiple pen testers? I'd warrant nearly all of them, though it may take a while. If you have ever submitted or worked with a bug bounty program you will run into dozens of duplicates. I've personally performed and overseen assessments in which the company had already done a complete blackbox pentest and wanted a second whitebox review…

> I'd warrant nearly all of them, though it may take a while. Why guess when the other commenter has the actual data...?

What commenter had data?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by Glawen »

kypro wrote: post #147

I know this is a controversial view, but I think employers should not be allowed to run background checks unless important for the role (government work, access to children, etc) and where it is important for the role it should only return the criminal convictions that might be relevant to the role. If you were arrested for robbery when you were younger perhaps because you had a drug addiction then that person should…

it is not controversial, that's how it works in France at least: only you or authorized employers can access your criminal records. I guess it must be common in other european countries.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Post by sofixa »

busyant wrote: post #160
gwbas1c wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [edit: after reading felonintexas let me update this. If someone point blank asks, tell them. Don’t volunteer this information. There is nothing to be gained] My Fraternity's cook, when I was in college, was a former fellon. He worked for us for a few years before he told me about his background. I don't remember the details, but we had a conversation where he mentioned he had experience in IT. Eventually he very b…

> the super-illegal (but "grey morality") thing he did I'm curious to know what he did given your description. I can think of examples of the reverse: quasi-illegal, but quite immoral.

I can think of stuff like hacking/leaking data about bad things, like a Snowden/Manning/Assange scenario. Or working on/around piracy (cracking software to bypass license checks, hosting a torrent website, etc.).
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