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Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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You should be using your own domain anyways.

You've never lost a domain name I see.

As long as you're paying for it, there's very little probability of that happening.

I got my personal domain (alexn.org) in approximately 2008, so that's older than most people's Gmail accounts ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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This is not a recommendation but rather an inquiry.

I’m currently using roundcube [1] on my server but have no clue if that’s the right choice for me. It works but I only use it because my hosting company recommended it and I just stuck with it. It seems to be open source so that’s a big plus imo.

If anyone here has some experience with roundcube I’d like to know what you think about the software. Are there any flaws I should be aware of? Anything other projects are doing better? I value privacy over functionality and am willing to try out something new.

[1] - https://roundcube.net

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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FastMail. It's one of the few third party hosts to support push email on iOS with the native Mail app (it's a custom protocol based on APNS), since Mail doesn't implement IMAP IDLE [1]. They are also the main sponsors behind the JMAP protocol [2] and some open source projects such as the Cyrus IMAP server. [1]: https://fastmail.blog/2016/12/21/what-we-talk-about-when-we-... [2]: https://jmap.io

+1 for FastMail — I've been using it for the last 2 years and I've got nothing but praise for them.

ProtonMail seems to be another popular alternative, but their E2E encryption claims sound like snake oil to me, but snake oily as it is, it's still a better choice than Gmail.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I think paid email services are a great idea, but $50 a year and 2 GB of storage for Fastmail seems expensive to me. Why not something closer to five or ten bucks a year? Can someone explain to me why this type of pricing makes sense?

The Fastmail pricing tiers are $3, $5, and $9 per month which is $36, $60, and $108 per year respectively. If you look at their primary competition their prices are on par or slightly better. Here is a sampling... Google G Suite: $5, $10, and $25 per month per user. Microsoft: $4, $8, or $12.50 per month per user. ZOHO: $3, $7 per month per user billed yearly. [0] https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html [1] https://pr…

Office365 family costs 10 per month for 5 users, with office desktop and web, with 1TB of space per user, and 60 minutes of skype per user...

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I didn't see https://kolabnow.com/ mentioned anywhere. It's more than email, it's a groupware based on FOSS with a pretty good track record (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolab_Now#Kolab). Hosted in Switzerland with 2FA and strict privacy guidelines https://kolabnow.com/privacy - No end-to-end encryption, though, but as everybody knows https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-be...

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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That's fair enough (and I am using gmail precisely because I have no way to pay another service provider -- banking while living in a country that you are not a permanent resident of is tricky). However, the entire thread is about what service should you use if you are worried about privacy.

Which country? Try Transferwise and/or revolut if they are available where you are.

Although available in Japan where I live, there is literally no way to transfer money out of my bank. You may think it odd, but getting a bank account in a foreign country is actually hard. The bank I use is not my choice, but the choice of my former employer -- that's how I got the account. When I set up my own consulting company, I ended up using the same bank. I'm trying get out of it. I have an account with an offshore bank, but going through the paperwork to actually deliver my pay cheque into it is rather daunting (even though I own the company that pays me!). It will be dramatically easier when I get permanent residence status (which I probably can get whenever I get around to applying for it -- and I should do it sooner rather than later).

But anyway, there are other people in the same situation, where they literally can't pay for things online. I just wanted to indicate that I understood the situation. But thanks for the pointers. It looks pretty useful if I ever get in the situation where I could use it.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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FastMail is good, but it's very expensive. I'm waiting for more competition in this space. I think, as people turn away from Google (and thus Gmail), more competition will arise and we'll finally see fair prices.

I don't feel like FastMail is that expensive for most people. Obviously, compared to free, it's expensive. But in real terms, I pay $70 every 2 years for it - works out about £25 a year for me, which is about the price of a meal out. I think that's worth it for secure and powerful email. I've never found it to be expensive.

It's also expensive compared to rolling my own. Using the standard plan, I'd be paying 200$/y for just a single address for each of my family members. Personally, I want at least 2 myself. Compare that to the ~120$/y I pay for my main VPS which has plenty of spare resources to handle not only my family's email, but also for some clients AND, since I make the rules, I also don't need services like Sendgrid for sending email from my websites. All well worth the 5-10 afternoons a year spent maintaining it.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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What do you get for less than $35 per year? A cheap VPS? Are there plans for less than $3 per month these days?

This 1-XS server costs 2€ every month and it could perfectly handle the email of hundreds of users. They are charging you more only for yourself, and that's not even factoring in the economies of scale. https://www.scaleway.com/virtual-cloud-servers/#anchor_start...

Fastmail has employees that have to be paid. You're paying that money instead of the time required to maintain your own email server.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I've been wanting to switch from Gmail for a while, just to try something new.

I like the concept of ProtonMail (that my email is supposedly encrypted at rest and accessible only by me) but honestly the conversation here steers me away from it. Also the interface is fairly slow.

The top recommendation here seems to be FastMail, which I'm doing a trial run of now.

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