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Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#321
I have not been a founder of any company so I can't comment on that part. But I can strongly related to this part - "what it would be like to work at Wal Mart, or the construction site outside, or as a bagger at a grocery store"

I am a passionate web developer but a few months ago, I had these exact same thoughts mainly about switching to a low stress job. Later I realised that I needed a break badly and the monotonousness of work ( building some kind of CRUD all day ) for me personally was making my life severely discomforting. So I left the job against everyone's advice and for the next few months I had terrible arguments with my family about this decision. But I was at peace the moment after I left the job and I think it was the right decision, even though my family wants me to regret it.

It's not that you hate what you do, but you definitely need a break and not just like a vacation, but actual handing over of responsibilities to someone else. After a few months, I felt like being back into the business and the optimism for work was back.

So this is probably against what everyone else is advising here but if you don't like it, leave it. Your wife should understand this too, if this is so important to you that it makes you cry. And definitely take up a stress free job for a change. It should help.

As far as leaving the company goes, you might find someone in ranks just below you who could be able enough to take over most aspects of your position.

Let me know, if you think this is a completely wrong advice.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My girlfriend is MOSTLY supportive but I don't dump everything on her. Learn to deal with stuff yourself and you'll be happier. Learning to deal with stuff yourself doesn't preclude asking your partner for help with making a decision that can impact both of you for the rest of your lives.

You do what you like doing, and he'll do what he likes doing. This isn't an interesting argument.

It's a discussion, not an argument. Why would you marry someone if you couldn't talk to them about decisions like this? The whole damn point of a life partner is to have someone you can figure out life with.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#323

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You're describing an enabler. We're talking about his wife.

You are exactly correct. I am describing an enabler, and that is exactly what your loved ones will turn into if you tell them you are depressed. When your SO asks you for help, you give it to them. Unfortunately that is the opposite of what a depressed person needs. Depressed people need to make changes to their lives. You can't do that when you have someone being your crutch. And I just want to be clear because some…

> Depressed people need to make changes to their lives. You can't do that when you have someone being your crutch.

You also can't do that without a great support network. That piece is critical in the path to recovery, and you should not so arbitrarily dismiss the possibility that to many people, family (spouse, parents, even children) is that support network.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#324

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>1) that's an idiotic stereotype. Men and women both will react in similar ways. Do you say this from a position of experience and authority on this subject (i.e., you know that it is false because you yourself have experience with seeing how different people react to news like that), or do you disagree just because such statements conflict with your value system?

Not OP, but I believe this because if there is no evidence, we should assume there is no effect. Gendered issues are highly problematic to bias, so it is imperative to redouble the value of force of science.

What you're really saying is that people should not have opinions or views on things, instead they should have their opinions handed down and dictated to them from on high, by people of a particular social institution (which, as luck would have it, is both almost entirely dominated by people on one side of the cultural/political divide, and also whose value system conflicts with the views expressed by the parent to my post). Even if the product of science really was objective truth (which is quite difficult to argue, especially for the field of psychology) and its interpretations and conclusions from the collected data were not subjective, you have it completely backwards. Do you think scientists don't hold opinions until someone publishes a paper whose conclusion tells them what to believe? Do you think they believe the conclusions of papers are never contested? It's wrong to think that people should not have opinions until science tells them to, people have opinions and then scientists wonder whether they are true.

But the product of science isn't objective truth, they are never in a position to dictate to you on high what is objectively true and what isn't, because the conclusions they reach are not objective. The data they collect is arguably objective, but then it is subject to interpretation and integration into man-made ideological and theoretical frameworks, and that process and its product are not objective. That's not to say that the product of science is meaningless, or that any random theory someone comes up with is equal in value to whatever theory is popular among scientists. It certainly becomes difficult to argue against technological progress and experimental evidence, so if someone says something blatantly false then it is these products of science that make it easy for you to disprove their claims.

For example, if someone were to say that they don't believe in Einstein's theory of relativity, then you could show them experimental data of the positions of stars when their line of sight to an observer crosses right next to the sun, and then show them how Einstein's model predicts the correct position, and Newton's model does not. This argument, with all the calculation and experimentation involved, is the product of science. Going on Wikipedia, or opening your science textbook, or googling it and seeing that someone with the special title "scientist" has said it, and using that to argue against them, this is not the product of science. That is an argument to authority. It has no value.

Using an absence of evidence (as opposed to evidence of absence) to shut down arguments and delegitimize people's experiences has nothing to do with science, and its only purpose (I suspect) is to prevent discussion of things which conflict with your value system.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may have been crude, but his example isn't wrong. On the contrary is it not the case that sexual activity is recommended by therapists for stress relief? Is he really implicating anything here or is this fitting a predetermined narrative you've conjured?

The real sad thing here is that some people are seeing sex with their wives as a "favour", something like a one sided affair....

Come now. I'm sure everyone remembers their parents sleeping in different rooms after a certain amount of time.

If one partner's libido decreases before the other's, it may very well be a favor for the partner whose libido has decreased. Nothing wrong with that, and if it's a healthy relationship, both partners will not mind doing favors for one another...

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#326
If you're that unhappy just fucking quit and ask questions later. Let me explain.

A couple years ago life was awesome but I was having some burnout related chest pains and worse at my first "long" startup job after some minor workplace drama and a medical procedure... we had an agreeable separation. Then the following week my younger brother started dying. I was picturing Hawaii and sitting in Alamo Square when I got the message, he was in a coma with an infected heart. Guess I shoulda followed through on that trip I started researching for him and I that Winter, nothing I could do in the situation but learn how to pray and start doing it. To a speedy recovery. Instead of vacation I set forth finding another job to be ready to jump on a plane as soon as he woke up. He woke up, and then had complications right before calling me, from which he would not wake up. Shock and horror. Then my family couldn't agree on a time to gather for his service in the same state for five months. He passed away an hour after I was rejected from Uber, my performance obviously was suffering. I prioritized working for Uber, oops, silver lining. He was supposed to wake up. I mourned each mourning and carried on. I was hired without much trouble, to a great company doing interesting work for way more money... AWESOME, back on track. Didn't tell anyone except my manager and an intern with Hacker-mind who I got kinda close with about life situation, MISTAKE. The funeral date came and I took the time off, finally. Well, then I was let go from that job literally while at the funeral by a bogus report that I tried to refute (no conflict of interest in that process...), had to un-RSVP on two lifetime best friends' weddings ("I hope to make it, if I can get hired soon enough"), couldn't get hired again so got stuck in a job with an overtly abusive boss, lost my physical health (no gym time, christmas revoked, told I was only giving 30%), saved all my money to quit that job and did it, and am now almost homeless again but this time with almost no support system and ineligible for unemployment and with a worse resume... people lose faith after a while of chronic unemployment, when your identity is programming (must not be that good after all)... not sure if I have rent money in a few days (I think so, afraid to look, small check from contracting on the way should fill it...), credit obliterated and collectors starting and ending every day with phone calls and voice mails--eventually blocked, recently. Plenty of other stuff going wrong, eg. ex-friends' SOs think I am a piece of shit and infecting their thoughts, but it's all a side effect of having no resources and literally starving (materialistic friends, oops). The company who flushed me ended with my boss's boss literally giving a satisfied smile and saying my action "T-T-Trumps any explanation" [sic] (and sick) on the way out the door. From rock star to human garbage faster than my head could spin, at a point well well well (3x) beyond burnout.

And yet I'm sleeping like a baby and not crying, while I still have a bed. And having lots of sex and not masturbating and going to the gym and getting sunlight as much as possible for the sheer hormones, as I'm not getting even sustenance level calories. Strangely getting skinny and cutting my own hair weekly and wearing 2 year old clothes (clean) has left me incredibly attractive, thought it would be the other way--boasting, what else can I do? obviously I have a fit foundation, good posture, and jolly attitude toward whatever shit the day wants to dump on. "Thanks for the shit universe, I'll eat it right up!" Mind-body, let it roll off. Life is unexpected sometimes, but it's all good. ALL GOOD.

Lifting changed my life, and adopting a stoic mindset. Cold showers every day while things were good built mental fortitude... I yearn for a time when that was the hardest part of my days. I found having a Trello board with pirate card add-on helps. I started cooking with Plated... it's a bit more expensive but I've made like 50 recipes now, can save so much money making wonderful vegetarian food for myself in very little time! I will not resort to eating Doritos etc to save money, MIND BODY.

You've probably let people push your boundaries so far in that you are no longer yourself. I cut the majority of people from my personal life, and things got a lot better very quickly. I had months and months of funk. Attitude > all. Sure I'm materially worse than horrible, but I feel good. I do miss some people but 0 > -1. Actions > words. I am blessed to have a couple of +1s, but making posts like this is bound to drive people away as I've learned the hard way... you recognize the truth too as you've posted under a fake account and cried with the shower on. God knows somebody important will probably see this, but that's okay, I have literally nothing to lose and the history will be awesome when I make it through. Plenty of people are cheering for my downfall, no doubt, and this can be seen as ammo for them if I want to be paranoid. You're doing the RIGHT THING by hiding it generally, but private support system is so important. You must learn to outlet your stress in productive ways and set boundaries, and mind-body feedback (eg. Amy Cuddy) is the foundation of your reboot.

My approach can be criticized, but that's just what unsupportive people do--totally ignore those people. If they ask specific questions and have a conversation with you then they might be worth considering and perhaps good friends, but most people are unhappy and project 1:1 with laser accuracy onto people who trigger insecurities. When your friends' girlfriends start looking at you with googly eyes for example, they will envy you even if they can't verbalize it, and start trashing your name if they're people who generally make excuses and feed on gossip about others. Know people like this? Not a friend. Just for example, it can get worse in the workplace when promotions and similar rewards are involved. What I am saying is, cutting people who aren't supportive out is good even if it feels bad. People who have conversations without being manipulative, beautiful, but that isn't most people--takes a mindset of great abundance to even be such a person. When doors close or you close them, sometimes new ones open.

Again, if you're that unhappy just fucking quit and ask questions later. Harlan JI, short for Harlan Time... time, one's only limited resource. If only I'd lived that before many of the important doors closed. I didn't know when to quit, I had to be pushed into action. Now I can only offer a silver lining through advice: Don't be like Harlan JI... value your time. Be like Harlan JI... value your time.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#327

Are you familiar with the concept of the False dilemma[0]? It seems as if you've limited yourself to an "either/or" situation when in fact there are countless other possible solutions to this problem. Here are some possible alternatives: - find a leadership coach and/or mentor - delegate the parts of your job that you like the least - find a way to reduce stress in your life (exercise, hobby, etc) - try professional…

As you make your decision, you might want to consider applying the WARP decision framework from Decisive by Chip & Dan Heath[0]:

1. Widen your options

2. Reality-test your assumptions

3. Attain distance before deciding

4. Prepare to be wrong

The heath brothers offer a useful workbook[1] that goes into details for each of these steps. It might be worthwhile to go through it as you decide.

[0] http://heathbrothers.com/books/decisive/

[1] http://heathbrothers.com/ot/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/HBDWB...

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do what you like doing, and he'll do what he likes doing. This isn't an interesting argument.

It's a discussion, not an argument. Why would you marry someone if you couldn't talk to them about decisions like this? The whole damn point of a life partner is to have someone you can figure out life with.

It's a tough call, realistically speaking.

On the one hand, you'd expect your significant other to be supportive. But on the other hand, your significant other may be used to a certain kind of lifestyle, and may not take too kindly to losing that lifestyle.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore

#329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>1) that's an idiotic stereotype. Men and women both will react in similar ways. Do you say this from a position of experience and authority on this subject (i.e., you know that it is false because you yourself have experience with seeing how different people react to news like that), or do you disagree just because such statements conflict with your value system?

Not OP, but I believe this because if there is no evidence, we should assume there is no effect. Gendered issues are highly problematic to bias, so it is imperative to redouble the value of force of science.

I've been in the situation where I have been completely burnt out from work and talking to my wife was the best thing I could have done.

Not only because she was able to help me emotionally and practically (taking other jobs off my plate which she could help with) but also she learned the signs of when I was stressed so she could support me sooner and more proactively without waiting for me to get to the burnt out stage.

Frankly I think my wife would have been more inclined to leave me if I hadn't been open and honest with her because that would have been symptomatic with a failing marriage. Plus even with the best will in the world, it's sometimes hard not to take the stresses of work out on your loved ones when you get home so explaining the situation will at least give your spouse an understanding and hopefully more tolerance with the less desirable moods you might be in when around her.

Edit: Sometimes though, she would just drive me to work so I got to spend time with her in the car and chat about fun things rather than stewing about work on my own. This alone helped massively with my mood as it was such a positive way to start the day.

I appreciate not all spouses are in the position to help like this. It's one of the few benefits of being married to a school teacher (ie they were off work a lot)

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