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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ctrlp »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #296
ctrlp wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic, as I see it, is propaganda. There are no sources of truth , only competing claims and differing levels of sincerity and reach. I'm sorry you find the subject tiresome. I do, too. But many in HN accept these sources as sincere when they are clearly factional and "biased". I'm not using "bias" in the Rationalist fallacy sense. That is very tired. I'm using it in two ways: a) the ideological, which is also ti…

> Tell me how "Europeans" view the US at the moment. You were linked a reliable, low-bias source answering this question, but it's seeming more like you just want to spread FUD about the answer and complain about the media, rather than actually discuss the topic. Your empty talking points about media bias, while unhinged ("propaganda" thrown out multiple times), are quite tired, and it doesn't seem like anyone here (…

I didn't think I was complaining about "the media." The links you're referring to are just fluff. As far as I'm concerned you could have just sent me advertorials. You seem very tired, but if you actually want to know my arguments, go ahead and read some of the other comments I made on the topic recently. I, myself, am too tired to spend much time ignoring your condescension in order to take your comments with more seriousness than you intend them. If you still think my points are "tired," I really do wonder what you think qualifies as interesting political discourse.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ctrlp wrote: post #311
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tell me how "Europeans" view the US at the moment. You were linked a reliable, low-bias source answering this question, but it's seeming more like you just want to spread FUD about the answer and complain about the media, rather than actually discuss the topic. Your empty talking points about media bias, while unhinged ("propaganda" thrown out multiple times), are quite tired, and it doesn't seem like anyone here (…

I didn't think I was complaining about "the media." The links you're referring to are just fluff. As far as I'm concerned you could have just sent me advertorials. You seem very tired, but if you actually want to know my arguments, go ahead and read some of the other comments I made on the topic recently. I, myself, am too tired to spend much time ignoring your condescension in order to take your comments with more s…

I'm not really interested in further engaging here unless you're willing to engage with the topic** in a manner more substantive than 'I personally feel this topic is fluff* / propaganda* / advertorial* / biased* / ideological* / hysteriaporn* / some other shallow dismissal / etc, and I don't want to discuss it'.

I don't expect that I'll change your feelings about the topic**, and I don't want to oblige you to keep replying in a post about a topic** which you personally don't like and personally don't want to discuss.

* – all of these are shallow dismissals from you here

** – how europeans feel about american tech lately

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ctrlp »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #312
ctrlp wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't think I was complaining about "the media." The links you're referring to are just fluff. As far as I'm concerned you could have just sent me advertorials. You seem very tired, but if you actually want to know my arguments, go ahead and read some of the other comments I made on the topic recently. I, myself, am too tired to spend much time ignoring your condescension in order to take your comments with more s…

I'm not really interested in further engaging here unless you're willing to engage with the topic** in a manner more substantive than 'I personally feel this topic is fluff* / propaganda* / advertorial* / biased* / ideological* / hysteriaporn* / some other shallow dismissal / etc, and I don't want to discuss it' . I don't expect that I'll change your feelings about the topic**, and I don't want to oblige you to keep…

To be fair, you've offered nothing of substance to this thread. Just demanding that I accept the authority of an FT op-ed when I provide elaborated reasons not to is extremely lazy. Need I trace FT's funding sources, institutional backing, and factionalism for you? If you don't want to put in any effort, that's fine. Just bow out. Otherwise, stop sealioning me and do some work.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mlrtime wrote: post #251
weatherlight wrote: post #147

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I'm a dual citizen (US, Spain), I moved to Spain 1 year ago. I need to completely divest from the US.

You're still paying taxes.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...

> If you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien of the United States and you live abroad, you are taxed on your worldwide income. However, you may qualify to exclude your foreign earnings from income up to an amount that is adjusted annually for inflation ($107,600 for 2020, $108,700 for 2021, $112,000 for 2022, and $120,000 for 2023). In addition, you can exclude or deduct certain foreign housing amounts.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Boriel »

Daril wrote: post #43
Daril wrote: post #8

For what it counts, I deleted my Amazon account today (and lost all my Kindle books in the process), I'll never buy anything from them again. I'll close my S3 storage account with a US company in the coming months : I'll switch to a German service. In the coming weeks, I'll also delete my GMail account (my devices are already deGoogled since many years). There a lot of European alternatives that respect our privacy,…

From a software developer viewpoint, my biggest worry is about GitHub, owned by Microsoft. I self host my open source code with Forgejo.

You can use codeberg.org as an alternative to GitHub. Theirs software is Open Source, so you can even host it yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by abenga »

deepsummer wrote: post #297
abenga wrote: post #214

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> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?

> cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) Can you name examples that you believe should not be cut?

To begin with, don't just blindly fire people who are maintaining nuclear weapons? The EPA? CDC? Park rangers?

I am not arguing against cutting your government spending,but you shouldn't just cut shit willy nilly without regard for how important work is.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by matthijsk »

ksec wrote: post #293
Daril wrote: post #8

For what it counts, I deleted my Amazon account today (and lost all my Kindle books in the process), I'll never buy anything from them again. I'll close my S3 storage account with a US company in the coming months : I'll switch to a German service. In the coming weeks, I'll also delete my GMail account (my devices are already deGoogled since many years). There a lot of European alternatives that respect our privacy,…

Am I missing some big news that happened in the past weeks which threatens EU user's privacy? Or is this political wind happening in US so you decide to switch ? I am reading a lot more about Russia and NATO in this thread.

From what I understand from here (I live in the Netherlands), handing over your data to US-based companies has been uncertain in terms of privacy for a long time. The US appears to have a lot less privacy protections, and a lot more allowances for the government to access company and user data (especially when non-US persons are involved).

This makes it hard for US-companies handling data of EU citizens to comply with EU privacy regulations. Some legal provisions have been made to facilitate this, but, to answer your question, what changed recently is that the Trump administration recently effectively incapacitated the "Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board" that was central to these legal provisions.

Above is my interpretation of matters, for a large part based on posts by a Dutch expert in these matters, Bert Hubert. In particular see this post: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/you-can-no-longer-base-you... and this news article it links to: https://noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illegal-trump-punches-first...

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ctrlp wrote: post #313
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really interested in further engaging here unless you're willing to engage with the topic** in a manner more substantive than 'I personally feel this topic is fluff* / propaganda* / advertorial* / biased* / ideological* / hysteriaporn* / some other shallow dismissal / etc, and I don't want to discuss it' . I don't expect that I'll change your feelings about the topic**, and I don't want to oblige you to keep…

To be fair, you've offered nothing of substance to this thread. Just demanding that I accept the authority of an FT op-ed when I provide elaborated reasons not to is extremely lazy. Need I trace FT's funding sources, institutional backing, and factionalism for you? If you don't want to put in any effort, that's fine. Just bow out. Otherwise, stop sealioning me and do some work.

There's no need for you to accept anything, the minimal bias and high factuality of FT stands on its own regardless of what a single random internet commentator says or accepts.

You have an opportunity here to share these equally-biased, equally-factual sources you've been talking about which provide alternative perspectives on the topic*. You can take that opportunity or leave it. Personally, I'd love to read them and learn their perspectives, but as far as I can tell from what you've linked, they don't exist. Don't you want to help others "triangulate", as you called it?

If you just don't like FT or don't like the topic*, that'd be a different topic (and not one that interests me).

* – how europeans feel about american tech lately

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