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Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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I believe the market really is just bad right now. When I was job searching it probably took me 3 times as long. I noticed that there were hundreds of applicants per role when normally I'd have noticed less than 20 maybe? Even at my current company they told us that hundreds of people were applying. That's how many you have to beat just to get in the door. I think it's caused by a number of factors: (1) Investors are…

It's the interest rate. Investment money is no longer (near) free.

Meanwhile companies are having record profits. What gives?

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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Depending on sector, you may find you only get traction through recruiters. I work in finance, almost everything is through third party recruiters and there are two reasons for this. 1. We are only allowed to hire through either an approved recruiter or the company job portal. The company job portal gets so many applications for each job it's absurd, and we have to sift these ourselves to some degree (HR are meant to…

> Perks. We often meet directly with recruiters in person, and they have expense accounts and take us for lunch/drinks we don't have to pay for. This makes us want to keep using them over direct applications (yes recruiters, this 100% works, we won't use you if you're shit regardless but we'll 100% entertain looking at your candidates if you take us for lunch or drinks - check compliance limits before suggesting a ve…

I'm paid very well but when a recruiter invited me this year to watch the FA Cup Final in their box at Wembley I obviously went.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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If you don't mind, could you tell me how I should go about finding a recruiter directly on LinkedIn? I've been out of the market for three years now (had to take care of sick family) and it's extra brutal; I've been contacted by a few recruiters but I'd really like to speed up the process of networking with them if possible. Thank you. (I'm in the Inland Empire in Southern California).

This is weird. I've stopped going on LinkedIn because there is a constant barrage of recruiters. If you list the right skills they will find you.

Back in the doctom crash recruiters wouldn't pick your calls. Downmarket takes a bit of mental adjustment if it's your first time.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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If you don't mind, could you tell me how I should go about finding a recruiter directly on LinkedIn? I've been out of the market for three years now (had to take care of sick family) and it's extra brutal; I've been contacted by a few recruiters but I'd really like to speed up the process of networking with them if possible. Thank you. (I'm in the Inland Empire in Southern California).

This is weird. I've stopped going on LinkedIn because there is a constant barrage of recruiters. If you list the right skills they will find you.

This definitely used to be the case for me, but the large employment gap absolutely killed that. Not a surprise.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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It's not a good job market, but it doesn't seem normal to spend six months applying and only get _one_ interview. It might be worth asking friends or former colleagues, ideally people who actually are involved in recruiting (hiring managers etc) to take a look at your resume and LinkedIn profile and see if there's anything glaringly wrong with them. Is your resume in a weird format, or is it structurally weird/overde…

No, no one calls someone with 5.5 years of experience a junior engineer.

That depends entirely on their skill. I’ve seen people with 10 years of experience that were still junior.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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post #310

This advice won't help you right now, but when you do find your next role, try take an active role in tech interviewing. It's something I pushed hard to take part in two jobs ago, and it's shown me what good candidates and bad candidates look like, how to interview and how not to bomb the interview in the first few minutes. It's also helped me massively as a candidate.

I was about to write the same. I volunteered in the company to help with hiring and after 20-30 interviews you get a lot of insight, what is looked at when evaluating and just in general being more natural when talking to people you see for the first time.

Can’t recommend it enough!

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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It's not a good job market, but it doesn't seem normal to spend six months applying and only get _one_ interview. It might be worth asking friends or former colleagues, ideally people who actually are involved in recruiting (hiring managers etc) to take a look at your resume and LinkedIn profile and see if there's anything glaringly wrong with them. Is your resume in a weird format, or is it structurally weird/overde…

No, no one calls someone with 5.5 years of experience a junior engineer.

Eh, maybe an "engineer", if they have junior, null, senior grades. A lot of places wouldn't consider that sort of experience level automatically senior; they'd have to be exceptional.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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post #288

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It's the interest rate. Investment money is no longer (near) free.

Meanwhile companies are having record profits. What gives?

Only a small fraction of start-up scene is ever profitable. That gives.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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That literally cannot be true unless the supposed "more or less qualified" applicants actually aren't qualified. Now, I suppose it's possible that thousands of people are lying on their resumes just to get a chance to work at Dropbox, but given this year's layoffs, I find it far, far more likely that people on the hiring side have gone off the deep end. You can disagree with me on that, and that's fine, but stay with…

The person posting did not say they had trouble filling the position, only that for positions that do open up they get thousands of applicants.

The person posting didn't have to. Everyone else is saying they aren't getting hired. Who do you think is on the other side of these transactions?

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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My linkedin views are basically rock bottom and the twice-daily recruiter spam has stopped entirely. From my assessment of my network anyone who lost their job is looking, or has been looking for a long time. The market is effectively dead. Even if you set your sights extremely low. Even corporate suit-and-tie programmer jobs are drying up. I don't know what I'll do if I lose my job. Construction, maybe. I can't be w…

It might be dependent on what's in your area. I still get a fair bit of recruiter spam, but the character of it has changed a lot. Amazon seem to have put their ambitions to briefly employ everyone in the world on hold, and I haven't heard from them in a year, say. On the other hand, I'm seeing a lot of mail/LinkedIn messages from (a) medium-sized post-startups (~1k employees, probably not a unicorn) and (b) financial firms (HFT and all that). I suspect that these types of companies were starved of applicants over the last few years; they simply couldn't afford to compete with stock-heavy offers from Big Tech(TM).
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