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Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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I tweak my Slack pretty heavily to suit my ADHD but 90% of it is: turn off (desktop) notifications entirely. Not "sometimes", all of it. (I just set Windows to DND so I still get Slack's red dot) I notice the red dot as soon as it appears anyway, but the lack of bigger visuals & audio means if I'm actually focused (and don't notice the red dot) I don't get yanked out of it. The other 10% is: * Mute unnecessary channe…

Yeah, I have notifications off for all software on all devices I use. I absolutely cannot stand nag crap showing up on my screen. You can imagine how much I love the modern web :)

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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Not ADHD, but this is how I deal with Slack: - Disable all sounds and vibrations of Slack on my phone (but keep the notifications) - Disable notifications on my phone outside the work hours - Mute all channels that I am strictly not interested in - Disable all desktop notifications - I don't have dual screen. Before I was a screen dedicated to slack, and it was actually an unnecessary distraction With that, I only lo…

I have ADHD and this is what I would recommend. Dual screen is okay if you implement the rest as long as the task occupies both screens (e.g code in one and tests, type checking or a live demo on the other).

I’d go further and suggest turning off _all_ sounds and vibrations your phone period, including for calls.

If that’s a bit extreme, do it for work hours, but turning them off completely is life changing. With them on, it’s too easy for your phone to dominate your attention.

Your phone needs to be something you give attention to on your own terms, as a tool that you control.

You might wonder about urgent alerts, like waiting for an important call or on call notifications. Your habits simply change to give the appropriate amount of attention, like a quick glance every now and then at an interval of your choosing. And, more often than not, an urgent call can be called back.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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ADHD-pro-advice: Use your OS settings to suppress red „unread“-badges! Don‘t let them shove the pile of distraction into your face at all times. Instead, create reminders to actively _pull_ communication. Adjust the number of those reminders and the time blocked after each so that you can cope with the amount of communication coming in - but do that on your terms and schedule, not on theirs.

In technical terms: you’re not the PubSub-server, you’re a client polling for messages when your resources allow for it.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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These, or something very similar, are essential to concentration. It's just not possible otherwise. The problem is this means nothing if the work culture is an expectation of always being available. So it's not entirely a technical problem (like many work problems).

Even if it's not an always-available thing, how you can control Slack really depends on expectations - especially working remote. Do my colleagues and mentees really want to be blocked for two hours because they need a two-minute input from me? I have set Slack up so that certain things alert me, and most channels are just muted, but as others pointed out more fine-grain controls would be even better. Really just "on…

On the other hand your organization could be built to be more async or if you do require input from people who can’t respond immediately, there is probably other stuff that can be worked on.

80% of my team is located in India while I’m in the US so none of our working hours overlap (meetings are scheduled early US time / late India time). Stuff can still get done without same-day responses.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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post #135

Frankly, how does anybody get any work done in such a setup? Long gone seem to be the days when Joel Spolsky was arguing for uninterrupted work as a key factor to getting things done [1]. It's even one of the 12 points on his test. https://www.geekwire.com/2016/just-shut-let-devs-concentrate...

I was going to ask: Why the ... does anyone have 1000+ Slack channels? What's the point of so many channels?

We have maybe 20 IRC channels, and that to much as well. Many join all of them anyway, two of them are basically the same thing, bot hang around in random channels with no clear distinction as to why it's in one and not another. I cannot imagine the corporate structure that would trigger the creation of 1000 Slack channels, honestly Slack might just be a symptom.

On a side note: I still don't get Slack, it's like one of those Chinese: Do everything apps, the interface is cluttered and not particularly intuitive to use. It really makes you long for the days of HipChat.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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Personal, biased, cynical, enterprise marinated opinions follow:

Turn off notifications. Don't have Slack visible all the time.

Stop working on multiple things at the same time (unless you really know what you're doing and can handle it; tip: you probably don't and can't).

Have an actual process behind your tickets. Tickets are never directly assigned to anyone by the reporters; on that route lies madness. Have someone triage the tickets and prioritize them. Lesser prio tickets will just have to wait, a human can offer a finite amount of work per time unit.

Slack is no substitute for actually having order in things. Slack is not a ticketing system or even a good system for assigning work, and it most definitely is not a project manager or a scrum master. It's just a chat system, treat it like that.

I for one cannot live with notifications enabled in anything. I turn everything off by default. All sounds, all blinking little shits and bubbles which pop up constantly -- there's NO NEED for anyone to suffer at the mercy of attention-begging engagement gadgets.

I check Slack and such when I have the mental bandwidth available to process whatever is in them, usually when I have some minutes (e.g. after kicking off flashing or a build, running a long grep). Then, I do a quick sweep to check things.

I use a form of Eisenhower matrix. Urgent/non-important: if you can delegate, do so; if not, "please file a ticket/comment on the ticket". Non-urgent/non-important: IGNORE. The important/non-urgent goes to the personal prio-2 TODO list to check later. The urgent/important: if I'm working on it, these become do-it-nows in a prio-1 TODO list. Otherwise they go to prio-2 TODO list to check later.

TODO lists are best in free form bullets/tickboxes, either electronically or on paper. I wouldn't use a phone app unless you really need the mobility.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this miracle software?

Some of the alternatives I've tried https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://noteifyapp.com/command-tab-plus/ https://contexts.co/ https://manytricks.com/witch/

Also rcmd https://lowtechguys.com/rcmd/

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the quality of doctors follows the same distribution as that one of SW engineers, taking advice of a stranger might have a similar use as looking for answers on stack overflow. After all, they are all self-taught..

> If the quality of doctors follows the same distribution as that one of SW engineers How could you possibly think that it does, considering the entire ocean of difference between their education and training???

Does that have much of an impact on distribution? I don't think so. You still gonna have ones which are very good at their job, some are average and the rest is part of the long tail.

Edit: Also in context of the conversation above, what I wanted to suggest is that that information can still be very valuable to whoever reads it. Even if it comes from someone who is not a doctor.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

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Ask your company to consider using Microsoft Teams instead. It's so repulsive that you and everyone else will probably be far less willing to communicate at all. Only half-joking.

How lucky, we use Zoom as team's chat.
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