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Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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I asked myself the same thing and I'm afraid the effect is not as big as expected (in relation to other emissions).

From https://www.agora-verkehrswende.de/veroeffentlichungen/wende... For Germany:

The climate effects of home office were estimated for 40 percent of the workers, each with two home office days per week, were estimated to save 5.4 million metric tons of CO2 equivalent per year.

This corresponds to 18 percent of percent of the emissions from commuting to work or 4 percent of the of total passenger transport emissions (Büttner and Breitkreuz 2020).

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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There is nothing more illogical in modern society than commuting to an office every day. Employees waste 2 of their 16 available waking hours in the non-productive commute while incurring significant financial costs (lease/insurance/fuel/energy) in order to support this patently absurd activity. Employers waste time and energy negotiating leases, re-arranging offices, purchasing AV equipment for meeting rooms, etc.,…

It really depends on where you live. My (fortune 100 high tech) job has a 10 minute commute if I hit the lights right.

Maybe the "illogical" issue is people living in high density massive population centers.

To add, I live on a nice tree-lined street within walking distance of local schools and shopping. I don't live in some apartment near my place of employment.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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The companies? they care about their ESG image. "We support green, remote work" would be a nice touch The employees? Isn't that the whole point of the "corporate culture" BS? - The mind of those people who can't live without the daily commute to office

What do companies care about more? Their ESG image or money? The employees don’t need to be advertised remote work software. They either like remote work or they don’t. An ad for “Slack is good for the environment” doesn’t change anyone’s mind.

There was a big "Slack is where work happens" campaign, on billboards and expensive full page newspaper ads etc. By the same token that would also seem to have little purpose.

Maybe these kinds of ads are made as memes to be repeated uncritically by decision makers with little specific expertise, or something like that

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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post #311

I asked myself the same thing and I'm afraid the effect is not as big as expected (in relation to other emissions). From https://www.agora-verkehrswende.de/veroeffentlichungen/wende... For Germany: The climate effects of home office were estimated for 40 percent of the workers, each with two home office days per week, were estimated to save 5.4 million metric tons of CO2 equivalent per year. This corresponds to 18 pe…

For austria: https://www.umweltbundesamt.at/news201221-1

The result is a share of 25.8% (short-term) to 39.3% (long-term) of all employed persons in Austria who could in principle work from home on a permanent or temporary basis.

By overestimating the work-related passenger kilometers, this results in a savings potential of about 300 kilotons of CO2 equivalents per year, if about a quarter of all employed persons in Austria work from home for 40 % of the working time (or 2 out of 5 working days).

Due to undesirable rebound effects, such as an increasing distance between home and work, induced traffic as a result of freed-up capacity, or increased capacities or increased leisure mobility, this potential can increase to 90 kilotons of CO2 equivalents per year.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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I also think that junior new engineers are less productive remote, because they can't absorb the context and experience of their more senior coworkers. Probably the only group made more productive are senior independent engineers.

> can't absorb the context and experience of their more senior coworkers How so? What prevents that? I don't believe it, but people like saying it without evidence.

My own experience as a junior during the forced WFH transition of the pandemic is, albeit anecdotal, proof for me.

It sucked. If the company doesn't shift and completely overhaul its entire culture from the ground up to full remote including junior mentoring, it's difficult to see, especially from the managers and senior perspective who already know the "games" of the organization and the know-how to get their work done and be productive while advancing their career, just how much knowledge and development potential I missed out on as a remote junior.

When I was in the office, I would pass by a coworkers and see some new development environment or tool on their monitor and I would ask them "Hey, sorry, what's that you use", "Oh yeah, it's a tool for doing X, it's very useful, you should try it.", "Oh neat, thanks". When we switched to remote I would have no way of seeing the tools others use that later help me also be more productive.

Or when two of the most senior colleagues who sat next to me would be discussing some very high level technical stuff together, I would sometimes listen in and learn something new and sometimes ask them questions later about it and even volunteer to work on that if they need help. With the switch to remote, I have no chance of hearing 1:1 technical discussion calls between the seniors and find out new things or challenges they face.

Basically, I was missing out on a lot of ideas, challenges, solution, technical development know-how, and became this anonymous avatar that needs to takes Jira issues as input and produce Gitlab merge requests as output, pigeonholing myself and stagnating my growth both as an engineer and inside the organization.

I suspect these issues might be less common in startups and companies that have been built from the start as distributed remote, but are probably very present for older organizations that have always ben in the office, and switched to hybrid or remote because of the pandemic.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Power corrupts.

The interesting point a nearby comment made was it corrupts those around you. That gets lost in that aphorism.

I think the mechanism is: it makes you surrounded by corrupt people and sycophants, which in turn over time corrupts you.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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post #301

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I don't think it's that weird, there not a lot of differences between people at the top or at the bottom. It's the fact that they were idealized that makes this dip into their intimacy so strange. But basically, those communications look a lot like ones that I would have with my own friends. And when I was a students, we were careful about spending 10 euros. Now, we have casual chats about buying a sauna for the gard…

While it's fair to point out so many of the similarities between the people at the top and the bottom ... there are also differences. Notably, Musk is an outlier in many ways. The vast, vast majority of CEO's are highly conscientious at least in civil terms. They are 'restrained' if anything.

Again, even if they have some qualities that make them different in order to achieve big things, I would expect a Gauss curve to represent most traits distribution at the top like at the bottom. While most people show restrain, a few will be exhuberant, no matter the sample.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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post #216

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Important to note that wealth doesn't improve your character; it simply amplifies who you already are.

It's also incredibly lonely at times - despite being constantly surrounded by people - which I figure can warp your mind much like too much solitary confinement can. I don't say this from personal experience (un)fortunately, I say this as someone who has a family member that is a confidant of a billionaire from the middle-east (whom I'll refer to as Bob.) The family member is one of their close staff - travels with t…

Excessive money brings lack of trust, the only way to solve this is give away the money - whittle it down to the 10s of millions and watch all the sycophants disappear.
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