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Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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Damn, thanks for letting me know... will look into it. Any error message?

I just see the home page briefly and then it refreshes and i see just white space. Maybe some javascript / redirect crap?

Ah that sucks. I just downloaded Firefox for mac and it loads ok, must be a Debian issue, will need to try and get a Debian boot to fix, damn

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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Technical recruiter here. For okay-paid fulltime roles, you won't never attract people who are after the money. These people will always prefer juicy contracting rates to your small company salary. You have to try to find people who care less about money and more about other perks like remote work, interesting tasks, a strong technical team, meaningful mission etc. In Switzerland, which is my market, freelancers aren…

employees can leave any time they want as well. as a recruiter, don't try to convince people to join the company based on "cool tech" or "culture". just pay people really well, it's as simple as that.

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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Focus on what FAANG can’t usually give — high signal/noise ratio, feeling of being really important and appreciated, opportunities of making big impact, near zero bureaucracy, big stock options etc.

It’s basic marketing thing, no?

Differentiate if you cant compete directly.

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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> Yea, I'm sure the new CFO starts with 2 weeks vacation, too. LOL I would add that if the company has "unlimited vacation time" it's really important to press and find out how much time people actually take. I like to ask for averages or how much time has taken off in the last few years. That'll tell you what the limits really are.

That's a very important point. My company has always had unlimited time. We just had an announcement from our HR head that managers are going to start making sure you take at least 2 weeks a year, ideally in a big block. I've never had trouble taking my vacation, but I'm really pleased that we're going to be enforcing a minimum, to help folks who are more hesitant to take theirs.

We have unlimited vacation time I have taken 4 days holiday and 6 days sick leave in the past 12 months (4 days because i was on my ass with the COVID vaccine doses).

I would have normally taken at least 20 days holiday but it seems pointless to take time off to sit at home and do nothing.

This year i have 2 weeks in July and 2 in October and a week for thanksgiving and a week for Christmas.

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A big one I have to add is time off. I've rejected a lot of companies that tell me, "All new employees start with two weeks off per year." Yea, I'm sure the new CFO starts with 2 weeks vacation, too. I've been doing this for 25 years, and if you offer me two weeks, we're done.

> Yea, I'm sure the new CFO starts with 2 weeks vacation, too. LOL I would add that if the company has "unlimited vacation time" it's really important to press and find out how much time people actually take. I like to ask for averages or how much time has taken off in the last few years. That'll tell you what the limits really are.

"unlimited vacation time" is just really an accounting hack. It allows the employer not to have to track that stuff and on your way out, owe you nothing for vacation time. It also allows them to say, well, it's unlimited, take it when you want; then the only option to take time off is around federal holidays. It's basically a scheme to rip you off....

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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Offer a 4 day week. I've been searching for a role which fits this description since I left Uni and I finally found one It amazes me that more companies don't offer this benefit (even for a 20% cut in salary!) when the demand is so high It annoyed me so much I decided to make a website listing Software jobs with a better work / life balance: https://4dayweek.io/

your site doesn't load in firefox on debian buster

FF 88.0 64bit Manjaro here, loads fine. Just as another Linux datapoint.

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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I don't know your context, but here are some thoughts on what I've seen/experienced: Allow remote work -- European rates are much lower than Silicon Valley rates even now, and I imagine the same might be true for other parts of the world. Flexible working hours -- as a parent with kids, my current contracting arrangement for about 25 hours per week works quite well, and it's unattractive to me to return to a regular…

Denmark: less than 5 weeks holiday per year is simply not legal.

Doesn't matter if you're just been hired. Doesn't matter if you work part time.

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Because it works? With those 1 or 2 percent raises being a norm almost everywhere, it's hardly a reason to actually leave the company. And saving for not doing 5 to 10 percent on everyone every year are much bigger than an occasional hiring and training costs.

>With those 1 or 2 percent raises being a norm almost everywhere, it's hardly a reason to actually leave the company. But it is a reason to leave the company because you can easily get 10% or more switching jobs. >occasional hiring and training costs. Hiring and training costs are enormous, and they aren't occasional when you're talking about software companies with very high turnover. If you're incentivizing job hop…

Seconding this. I was in my previous position at a little under 5 years, with in fact substantive raises (8-10%) each. But still I jumped 15% immediately in base salary by joining to another company.

Re: Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract market is so lucrative?

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A big one I have to add is time off. I've rejected a lot of companies that tell me, "All new employees start with two weeks off per year." Yea, I'm sure the new CFO starts with 2 weeks vacation, too. I've been doing this for 25 years, and if you offer me two weeks, we're done.

Also, unlimited vacations[0] are a trap. People end up taking less than market norms (US - 2 weeks) or informally/tribally decided what is the normal amount of time to take off. It also means people work while traveling. [0] - if you're an employer and offer unlimited vacations be honest about it: set guidelines about how many days people typically take, if people are expected to be responsive / working while on vaca…

I counter-act the unlimited vacation thing during onboarding (if not interviewing) by setting expectations: "I consider a reasonable amount of vacation to be X(=3) weeks, does that sound reasonable to you?". Then I track it myself and make sure I take every day. (A very good sign, and really the only way to ethically do unlimited, is when a company sets a minimum amount of time off.)

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> They have their routines for paying bills and services, it would be very inconvenient to pay ad hoc. But why? A bank transfer is fast and trivial to do. Where's the inconvenience? I presume the actual administration work of checking they had money in a budget to pay for the work happened when the work was contracted not at the end.

>But why? Two reasons. The most important reason is if you keep the money for 30/60/90 days, it's like a interest-free loan for the company. The stronger your position is, the longer you can hold on to the money (see walmart). It's how virtually everyone does it. Second reason, "A bank transfer is fast and trivial to do" - I'm guessing you've never done work for or been around a large enterprise or you would not be s…

No, it’s more about efficiency. If they would pay bills ad hoc they would have to do it every day, instead of settling everything once a month. Just like most people don’t go to the grocery store for individual items, they go once a week or so.
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