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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever thought of leaving programming for something else?

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What did (s)he do there? (Not a native speaker if that matters).

Not a native speaker either so I may be wrong in this assessment, but a physio is someone who also gives therapeutic massages when needed. Hence, rubbing shoulders.

Or rather rubbing shoulders is usually used to describe networking, though if you are mingling with the great and the good/important or famous, hobnobbing may have been a better term.

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Not true. Geoffrey Hinton is only interested in cognitive science (he said in a speech I heard that he thinks it's delightful that there are practical applications that lead Google to pay for his research, but he doesn't care at all about them, only about understanding the brain), and Rich Sutton started there and continues to actively follow and think about cognition.

To what it relates to neuroscience I agree, but in the end it's mostly mathematical models that don't connect much to (physical) reality

I guess my point is that to some of the top researchers, the current developments are a means to an end, and the end is understanding cognition.

Totally agreed that if you're into the deep learning/CNN development, especially the practical side, the connection to brains is only through the "neural" analogy.

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I'm sorry but dancing is definitely not one of those professions where "if you believe you can do it". Depending on the specific dancing style there are strict body types and features that you need to have, and not all of them can be acquired by training. So yeah, nature is not fair but feel-good comedies don't always apply to real life.

Besides being reasonably fit and having two legs I can't think of anything else one might need to dance as a profession.

That's a bit like saying "besides having reasonably good eyesight and ten working fingers that can type, I can't think of anything else one might need to be a developer as a profession..."

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Teaching. But the money difference is so ridiculous that I would have to go back in time and make every financial decision differently for the past ten years including having less children in order to afford it. Instead I have taken second jobs coaching at a gym, volunteered for hour of code and other programs at my local library and started teaching Sunday school at my church.

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Points 1 and 2 can be a good thing, if you have the mental fortitude and cast-iron gullet to specialize in cleaning up other people's messes. There's a lot of money to be made that way. It doesn't tickle the artistic urge the same way greenfield development often can, but that's what creative hobbies are for - I write - and you can derive considerable satisfaction from the knowledge that you're bringing order from ch…

This is surprising and interesting... how do companies who do not value quality when the code is first written come to value quality later? I'd expect a pattern where the original thrower-of-spaghetti-against-the-wall has left, and management assumes the later devs - who can't go as fast, or get more bugs because of the holy mess of the codebase - are just not as good as the first guy.

> how do companies who do not value quality when the code is first written come to value quality later?

Not for nothing is it said that the burned hand teaches best.

It also helps to avoid organizations where immediate management is nontechnical - not an absolute guarantee of sensible behavior, of course, but at the very least it's a good baseline to set. And it's hard for any manager, especially any manager accustomed to being on the hook and under the gun for the myriad problems with unmaintainable code, to get too upset when people start saying things like "wow, this is amazing, this never used to work before and now it does exactly what we need, thank you so much, you guys are awesome!"

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Besides being reasonably fit and having two legs I can't think of anything else one might need to dance as a profession.

That's a bit like saying "besides having reasonably good eyesight and ten working fingers that can type, I can't think of anything else one might need to be a developer as a profession..."

Well, obviously you need to need to train ... [...], but OP I was referring to, implied that you have to be born a certain way in order to dance, which is completely BS as long as you have all your limbs and good health.

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I currently work in a good environment where I'm appreciated and paid well. Not many people in the world can say that, so I have a lot to be thankful for. Programming has done good by me. But I don't love it. Alan Kay is right, it's like building "an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves". There's no eleg…

> I would prefer, if I could retire, to make short films and maybe to write plays. But I can't retire yet. So I'll push stones. It pays well. Please don't stay because of the pay. You won't look back in 25 years and say "I'm so glad I bought a new iPhone in 2016, but didn't do the things I wanted to in life" The last company I worked for was full of people only staying because retirement was "only" 10-15 years away,…

Quitting a high paying relatively lax job could possibly make your life a whole heck of a lot worse, especially 10 to 15 years from retirement. If anything start building something on the side.

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I currently work in a good environment where I'm appreciated and paid well. Not many people in the world can say that, so I have a lot to be thankful for. Programming has done good by me. But I don't love it. Alan Kay is right, it's like building "an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves". There's no eleg…

> an Asperger profession could you, please, elaborate on this meme? And that pyramid, well, it definitely is the way how a corporate and enterprise Java software has been and still being made. Java itself is an ecosystem for creating coding factories - to parallelize the process of coding (one cannot honestly call this programming) among teams of easily replaceable, uniform (in terms of abilities) cheap workers. Ever…

At least pyramids will be remembered, most software has a shelf life of a couple years.

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Seriously, create a small report based on the logs that tracks visits, popular calls etc. It will do you good every morning to check it (charts and comparisons are great) and it will be an asset when promotion time comes around and you have define your "contribution" to the company :)

I absolutely love the visualisation on bookdepository [0] where you can see what people are buying... [0] http://www.bookdepository.com/live

Huh, the books it's showing are really interesting too!

PS, it's a periodic XHR to http://map.bookdepository.com/browse/map.json, which gives back one thing. Just in case you were interested...

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Programming involves very little creativity compared to actual art, so to call it a "creative art" is a gross exaggeration. A programmer is given a very specific set of tasks (eg. send data from A to B, fix bug, implement X), and his problems are mostly technical. This doesn't even compare to the creativity involved in a real artistic endeavor like designing your own videogame, writing your own screenplay, or composi…

Ok. Apparently you have the wrong concept of creativity, or you're looking through it with only one glass. Creativity is not only doing aesthetics or poetry, the bare concept of creativity is unifying things that otherwise don't seem unifiable. Associate a dog with a circuit, that's creativity; innovation. And boy, you have a lot in bare programming. There are many ways to write a code that does the same thing. Sure,…

Redux is an over complicated pile of rubbish.
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