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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Why do you think that's more likely than the top level comments underestimating the effect of "thought leaders?" Sure, "most people" aren't talking about divesting their stocks or moving their manufacturing contracts, but where they ever talking about investments in the first place?

I didn't weigh in on the merits of OP's argument, I'm clarifying what that argument was for the parent commenter, who apparently believed that the OP thinks Europeans don't use the internet (assuming they commented in good faith). I'd be happy to see other people commenting on the merits of the argument instead of attacking at best a gross misunderstanding or at worst a straw man.

Apologies I mis-read "their point" as "the point."

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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For what it counts, I deleted my Amazon account today (and lost all my Kindle books in the process), I'll never buy anything from them again. I'll close my S3 storage account with a US company in the coming months : I'll switch to a German service. In the coming weeks, I'll also delete my GMail account (my devices are already deGoogled since many years). There a lot of European alternatives that respect our privacy,…

Am I missing some big news that happened in the past weeks which threatens EU user's privacy? Or is this political wind happening in US so you decide to switch ? I am reading a lot more about Russia and NATO in this thread.

In my case, privacy is not the main issue because I have been self-hosting almost all my services for many years. It is about what is just, moral and right according to my own principles : honesty, respect, trust and fairness.

I don't want to continue to contribute to making richer companies that try in every possible way to steal data and wealth from their customers and other nations with unfair behavior at the edge (or beyond the edge) of the law.

And if that is not enough to also use every possible way to manipulate the people's beliefs with false claims and evil psychological tactics.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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European here: other than people obsessed with certain political events, nobody really cares, people aren't going to throw away their iPhones and switch away from Microsoft.

I also find this very strange, that people did not talk about doing the mass exodus after we found out the US is conducting mass surveillance on us, but just because they don't like the politics of the current president, they start talking about how bad the US is.

> The expectation is that especially US tech will be weaponized

That should always have been the expectation, that's why the basic idea of GDPR was a good one, too bad they have botched it in the end.

> I know people in the US are focused on DOGE, but over here in Europe, the impression is that the US completely destroyed its soft power this week.

It's just some politicians who are unhappy because things didn't go their way, a lot of ordinary people are just happy to see hope that the economic suicide might be coming to an end, maybe next year my energy bills won't be 3x of what they used to be 3 years ago, one can dream.

Keep in mind that most people don't even understand what current events are about, the vocal minority can be very vocal.

> so people are switching search engines

> Are people talking about this - do they take it seriously or believe there is no alternative to US tech?

Switching search engines is easy, try switching your whole office from Windows to Linux.

> What does it mean for US startups, California and global tech?

It will mean nothing, if I need to build a product that requires US tech and there is no alternative, I'm going to use the US tech, end of story.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Thanks for this, as an American I was stressing out. But if it's only Europeans with internet access talking about it we should be fine. Let's just hope Europeans don't start using the internet.

It's only the terminally online Europeans.

What do you mean?

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If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding. I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion t…

Siding with the Russians over the Ukrainians has obviously happened. Same with unprecedented power grabs in the form of presidential control over congressionally mandated independent agencies. All of this has been so widely reported by both national and international media that I argue it doesn’t require citation

You're arguing with a 40 day old account.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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As an European I can confirm this is partly true. I wouldn't say it's completely destroyed it's soft power, but politically we do feel betrayed so whenever possible people would be looking to switch to non-US product. However, in business we're so intertwined with the US that it's hard to tell right now if there ever will be a justified switch. In terms of pensions - I think 99.9% of us have a huge chunk the S&P, so…

>> Personally I do feel betrayed as well and for the first time in my life I've started looking for where the product I consume come from. Do you own anything made in China or have ever used oil and gas from Russia?

Why do you ask?

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As an European I can confirm this is partly true. I wouldn't say it's completely destroyed it's soft power, but politically we do feel betrayed so whenever possible people would be looking to switch to non-US product. However, in business we're so intertwined with the US that it's hard to tell right now if there ever will be a justified switch. In terms of pensions - I think 99.9% of us have a huge chunk the S&P, so…

European stocks are up and up since Trump was elected, while American stocks are chopping sideways or down. There's a shift in the stock market. The market hates uncertainty and America is a big frikkin question mark atm (is the polite way of saying it). Here's a particular dutch pension fund that dropped their us stocks: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/dutch-pension-fund-ab...

Could this be related to the geo-politics or just a usual dump of an overheated stock? Hard to tell without a tsunami of stock dumping and portfolio re-balancing

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Fords are very popular in the UK and my Mondeo hasn’t missed a beat in years. the European models aren’t made in US which speaks volumes

not to be a contrarian but I'm assuming that's European made Fords? Because, in America, Ford right now leads in total recall expenditures of all manufacturers. It's been an issue of theirs for two or three years now.

Yeah, I meant cars made for US market from US brands. True, that Ford is US brand with strong European presence, but I think the model line is quite different. Jeeps getting more popular in EU, since it's part of Stellantis now (company headquartered in EU), but has engines for European market etc.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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I'm a dual citizen (US, Spain), I moved to Spain 1 year ago. I need to completely divest from the US.

You're still paying taxes.

ehhhh, kinda? the US and Spain have a tax agreement.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Protonmail and Tutanota are the two big ones with e2ee This site is great for finding alternatives to any piece of software (not just OSS) https://alternativeto.net/

Protonmail is pro Trump. https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

specifically they said

> Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

Based on their comment it seems like they're pro-left, anti-liberal more than anything. They lament the Dem party's decision to reject Bernie in favor of corporate Democrats

They never once promoted Trump though

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