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Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#301
What is a website?

It represents a CONTINUOUS will to keep something online.

Within the course of a year there could be 5 changes that destroy your website.

Then, the only way to keep a website alive, is to keep YOURSELF alive for 500 years, or to pass on your web development instincts and will to maintain this website on to your future generations.

After 100 years unless you provided some serious forms of feedback into this system they will grow bored of it or your progeny will be too nerdy to continue the line.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#302

I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appe…

Ramses is still better known than Shelley, some 5k years later. Ozymandias won.

In no small part due to Shelley.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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It’s still intelligible, though. One thousand years is about the accepted timeframe for a language to be no longer mutually intelligible for speakers at either end of that period. Of course, it’s entirely possible the rate of change within a language is not static over millennia.

Isn't it a bit silly to ask about whether 1000 year old people can understand modern language? If it's not, I would love to know more about this.

a large portion of English, in general, is changes in spelling from prior words, usually traceable to proto-indo-european, which is a catchall group of languages that etymologists are unable to find reliable sources for. It's generally extrapolated backward, and decent extrapolations are used to bootstrap understanding of words that don't quite "fit" with english, and may, in fact, come from other areas of the planet.

There are also scads of words that had a contemporary meaning that changed "overnight", morphing into entirely new meanings, which then brokered entirely new words with different definitions. My current favorite word to use an example of this is "filibuster" - the act of obstructing legislation by talking. The word, as so many in english, came from bastardizing the dutch word for "freebooter" or pirate, through a circuitous route of the French adding an S, and the American English removing an S. If you dig a bit more, you find that the "booty" part of freebooter (which means 'loves plunder' from the original dutch) came from a french word first recorded in the 1300s, "butin", which probably came from some mid-german word meaning "haul from plundering". There's also an implication that for a while in the 1500s-1800s freebooter was also the name of a private entity that engaged in exchanging goods - a "free trader", with the negative connotations falling in and out of style.

So, if you can parse Shakespeare or Chaucer at all, it's because of the mechanism of how English, and other languages derived from the same roots "evolve". Saxon and old High German, as well as Icelandic all play a huge role in the way we speak and write today, to name a few.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I was very young at the time, but I was absolutely convinced that the world would end at 2020. It didn’t, and that deeply ingrained in me a very substantial amount of skepticism from doomsdaysayers. The only doomsday I believe in now for absolute certainty is the heat death of the universe, but no one reading this will be around for that.

Society as we knew it definitely took a hit in 2020 though. Collapse is not a singular event at a fixed point in time like the start of a war would be, it's a process.

Which is why some people have taken to using the term crumble rather than collapse, crumbling happens at different rates in different places and can sometimes, at least temporarily, be fixed.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#306

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I recall some scifi where some Diety/SuperAI left 'commandments' for humanity carved into giant monuments made of diamond. I presume that was considered the only thing that would survive deep time.

not just sci-fi! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The things listed there are completely worthless though. In case of system collapse I'd want to know practical things like agriculture and simple power plants.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#308
What do you mean by "host a personal page"? If the goal is simply to pass on information to your descendents, there are many better ways to do it than setting up a web page on the internet.

If that is a strict requirement, then trying to come up with a single technological solution today that will work forever is the wrong approach and is guaranteed to fail at some point. What you want to do is set up some company/trust/other organization which will keep the site up to date with technological (and other) changes.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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This isn't a fair premise. Websites have not existed for 500 years and were not possible until roughly around the time of their inception.

It doesn't have to be fair. Things come and go. To host information for X years, statistically the things most likely to last are those that already existed for at least that amount of time. Or you can take your chances, which, again statistically speaking, is not good if we're talking about websites lasting 500 years.

No, the point is you can’t use the fact that websites are currently under 500 years old as evidence that they won’t ever be 500 years old.
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