Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

news.ycombinator.com

301–310 of 392 posts

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#301
post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poland is UE&VAT.

But Poland's local economy is so cheap that I don't even count that as a factor. There are few comfortable places to live where you can buy bread for .30 USD a loaf, and Poland is one of them. I'm also Russian and a lot of Polish food looks familiar to me. That's why it's a in my top three.

Polish cuisine feels great for my Russian stomach, though sometimes it's too spicy. But definitely much better than in SF =)

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Poland's local economy is so cheap that I don't even count that as a factor. There are few comfortable places to live where you can buy bread for .30 USD a loaf, and Poland is one of them. I'm also Russian and a lot of Polish food looks familiar to me. That's why it's a in my top three.

Biased, but try Bulgaria. IMHO currently only Bucharest can (somewhat) compete as a SW/startup hub in the region. HW is generally weak throughout the Balkans, though.

I've been working in Bucharest for a while, this place is toxic if you plan a start a family or long-lasting relations.

I can recommend it to anyone who's single, Balkan girls look great. Unfortunately, I'm married with kids =(

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#304

San Diego is awesome. The cost of living is probably 30% less than the bay area (I rent a 4 bedroom single family house for $2495), I live 3 miles from the beach, and there are a fair number of tech companies in the area, focusing primarily on healthcare and defense. And I love the outdoor activity opportunities. Direct flights to SFO are about $140 round trip, or less.

I rent a three bedroom connected townhouse in Palo Alto for $6150. Not sure if that's normal, but San Diego sounds a lot cheaper than 30% (it is a nice townhouse though)

Wow. That is extreme.

Is that normal for the area?

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in my personal experience the salary of senior devs in very early-stage startups i've been involved with in NYC get around get about 150K + options (text processing, machine learning, AI-stuff). With 2 incomes and some savings put aside, certainly its affordable, much more so than SF from what i've seen. The dev salary here may be higher because they need to complete with wall street firms, and there are overall…

150k is renting a small apartment in NYC though.

Maybe if you live in Manhattan. If you live out in Bayridge, you can get a 750+ sqft 1-bedroom apartment for $1450/mo. It takes me roughly 35 minutes getting to Soho on the R/N train from 86th st [which is near the end of the R train]

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#306
post #117

I'm in Raleigh/Durham, NC. You have great universities here (UNC, Duke, NC State, etc.), nice weather with 4 seasons, blossoming startup culture, Research Triangle Park with Red Hat, SAS, and a variety of other big tech companies with a significant presence, and relatively inexpensive housing! I moved here 3 years ago from the Bay area for quality of life reasons. It's worth a serious look. :)

Did you find it hard to find a job there before relocating? Assuming that was the path you took. If so any pointers? I've heard northerners and transplants are sometimes not welcome.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#307
post #183

Columbus, OH is pretty great. The Dublin Entrepreneurial Center has cheap office space and access to the Metro Data Center on the same floor. There are a couple nice co-working spots too like 400 West Rich. We have a burgeoning food scene that gets better every year. Cost of living is pretty cheap, we have an NHL team (not to mention NCAA powerhouse OSU), new apartments are going up seemingly everywhere, and Amazon's…

OSU has a pretty good engineering school. Lot's of fortune 500 companies. If you want to disrupt insurance it's Cols, OH or Des Moines, Iowa (both have large insurance presences). Lot's of Tech Jobs, some start up activity but the state is pretty risk adverse.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/09/13/...

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No question the salaries are lower, but two things balance that out. Income distribution is somewhat more even in Canada, so maybe you don't make as much but the people in 'lower' positions make more, relatively. This is actually a feature, not a bug - the city is safe, there is still a middle class, public services work (relatively) well and you can walk around as a tech person without worrying about a person random…

Those are all helpful and reassuring things to know. Thanks for answering some of the critiques! One more question- how's the climate? Montreal is north of Chicago and New York, after all...

It's comparable to Chicago, perhaps a bit colder in the winter.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#309
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The atmosphere here is, I dunno, toxic. Too many people here size each other up based on where they work and where they live and people are way too obsessed with advancing their careers and chasing higher salaries, more luxurious cars, nicer apartments, etc. Everyone seems to have some sort of inferiority complex if they don't work for the "Big 4". People in Davis/Sac seemed less superficial and it was a lot easier…

Moved to Mountain View in 1987, then to SF about a year later, then to the Santa Cruz mountains about 10 years ago. My wife and I were in tech that whole time (me: SCO, Sun, SGI, Cobalt, briefly at Google, then BitMover). Neither of us enjoy going to Mountain View any more. It's the worst parts of a big city (crowded, traffic, parking, expensive housing) and the worst part of the suburbs. And there is a lot of snobbe…

Totally same for my wife and me: 15 minutes up into mountains and the nonsense is 10 miles away.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#310
post #230

I haven't seen anyone specifically comment on Nashville so I figure I'll chime in and give you my $.02. I did my undergrad at Vanderbilt in Nashville, moved to Mountain View for two years to work at Google and moved back a year ago after realizing living in California didn't work for me. Pros: - No state income tax in Tennessee - Tons of stuff to do. There's way more than just Honky Tonks and country music. Professio…

I've never lived in silicon valley, but I moved to Nashville (actually Franklin) from SW Florida a few years ago and agree with everything you say here. Tech scene is very active---we have Nashville Coding School, a growing number of startups, Hack Tennessee (formerly Hack Nashville), and more user groups and meetups than you can shake a stick at.

As far as schools go you definitely want to stay away from Davidson Country, but Williamson County is about 20 minutes south of downtown Nashville and has fantastic schools.

Post reply on HN