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Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#31
"Failed" sometimes means bankruptcy, but you should also include those companies that survived but remained tiny, while one of their competitors became huge.

Circa 1995, many companies tried online retailing, but none of them could match the speed of Amazon, and so Amazon slowly won out over all of them.

MySpace lost to Facebook, partly by not matching what became popular features on Facebook, such as "The Wall".

And it's not just startups that fail due to moving slowly. The USA auto companies have been losing market share since 1960, partly due to their slow adoption of new techniques.

Toyota in the 1950s was a super nova of new ideas. They invented kanban and "just in time". Oddly, they got some of their best ideas from an American who could not get an audience in the USA:

"Interestingly, important elements of the Japanese production system were enhanced by the work of W. Edwards Deming, an American who developed a system of statistical quality control for the U.S. war effort during World War II. After the war, he was assigned to General McArthur’s staff overseeing civilian transition of Japanese industry, and introduced his system of quality control throughout Japanese industry, but especially in the automobile sector. Largely ignored in the United States after his return, his methods were only adopted by U.S. manufacturers after 1981 when he was recognized by Japan for his contribution to the country’s economic revival."

http://www.mbca.org/star-article/july-august-2013/putting-it...

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

Slack is a way to common term to gather any information from these trend lines.

I'll forever think slackware when I hear slack.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#33
Competition and profitability aren't your only reasons to move fast. VCs may judge you on your speed as well.

Our company bootstrapped for the first 2.5 years before raising an angel round. This raises eyebrows. Some investors assume there is a problem if you are looking for a small round after so much time has passed. It's a rare stance to encounter, but something to be aware of.

(Personally, I'm proud of what we were able to accomplish before taking outside investment.)

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

Slack is a way to common term to gather any information from these trend lines.

Ah yes, perhaps demand for spare rope went up substantially in 2014.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#36
Crossing the Chasm (Moore) suggests different phases in adoption - when entering the mainstream (after enthusiasts's love of the tech itself, and visionary's grabbing the tech's benefits ahead of everyone else) pragmatists wait until they see who will win. Therefore, in this phase, speed of acquiring marketshare is everything - not tech, not benefits.

Moore generalized this theory from actual startups, so he has lots of examples, but from decades ago (like apple and oracle when they were new). I'd think it would apply to today, just faster - though no one ever seems to cite it.

eg IBM lost RDB to Oracle, even though they invented it. Perhaps all the competitor's to pg's viaweb, who lost to it (note: they employed an expensive PR firm; it wasn't just lisp tech).

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#37

"Failed" sometimes means bankruptcy, but you should also include those companies that survived but remained tiny, while one of their competitors became huge. Circa 1995, many companies tried online retailing, but none of them could match the speed of Amazon, and so Amazon slowly won out over all of them. MySpace lost to Facebook, partly by not matching what became popular features on Facebook, such as "The Wall". And…

MySpace lost to Facebook, partly by not matching what became popular features on Facebook, such as "The Wall"

That is a gross over simplification of why MySpace lost to facebook. One of the main reasons I think MySpace lost was that they never seemed to have a grand vision like Zuck and fb seemed to have developed around '06-07. Not to mention, MySpace was an offshoot of a super shady marketing company, not a technology company. That became more and more apparent as MySpace suffered constant performance and security issues.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#38

I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

Slack is a way to common term to gather any information from these trend lines.

There is an existing baseline before Slack was released that you can take as a rough baseline.

It's true though - Hipchat was caught napping. Atlassian backburner'd it at exactly the wrong time, and by the time they starting fixing things, it was too late.

This being said, Atlassian isn't really a 'startup' anymore. Hipchat is a side-product of a suite of gorilla products.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#39

I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

I honestly believe Slack got big so fast because of their awesome awesome campaign advert. Just like the dollar shave club ad too.

Some startups forget that the first impression and cool factor still play a big role in creating a huge buzz about your app.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

#40

I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

I wouldn't be so sure. Slack was just a better product overall, offering a clear interafce and much better integrations than Hipchat. Hipchat being slow did not impact them as much as having a mediocre product to begin with.

About Yammer, I wouldn't really put it in the same bucket as Slack, as it really tries to be a Facebook for your company, not a group chat.

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