No, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'm highly unlikely to be a person of interest under the mass surveillance programme, so why bother?
Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
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Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#32No, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'm highly unlikely to be a person of interest under the mass surveillance programme, so why bother?
Privacy is a form of Liberty, you loose one and the other will have its final countdown
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#33We know what we can do for better online privacy:
- Use tor for all internet activity
- Pay cash for everything; do not own any credit cards,
or use a service like Blur
- Bank only with banks that don't share our data
- Don't use a modern smartphone
- Use PGP for all email
The list goes on and on, but who here does any of these things? Who wants to sacrifice the convenience of paying with a credit card online and managing their banking with Mint? The threat of privacy violations is not real to many people right now. They either can't or don't extrapolate the ramifications of losing their privacy in the future, or don't weigh the imposing risk as high enough to alter behavior.Have I changed the way I conduct myself online? Absolutely. I do four of the five things I listed above but I could never imagine a small percentage, let alone a vast majority of people implementing them in their day to day lives. That's the core of the problem that we need to solve first.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#34No, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'm highly unlikely to be a person of interest under the mass surveillance programme, so why bother?
Everyone can do something, the honest expression would be "there's nothing I want to do about it."
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#35I've started to despair a bit more about both technological and political solutions. I'm trying to adjust to the idea that nothing that happens online is private, and real privacy requires something more like tradecraft than mass adoption of encryption technologies.
Disempowerment is a common theme here - it is the case that the 'general public' (read majority non-technical) are concerned about the current and future ramifications of this surveillance but feel disempowered because of how widespread it is, and i think this is because it is difficult to make reasonable changes in the immediate term to effect anything. This is of course excluding publicising/talking about the issue…
I can imagine some will feel censored to a degree. There is some stigma to knowing about privacy and technology. Try talking to a lamen even casually and you might as well be wearing a tin foil hat. Even @moxie's recent thread on HN echoes that.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#36The truth is that the King has always been able to have anything intercepted ever since the first letter was written. Way before 9/11 GCHQ/NSA had things pretty covered and they certainly had capabilities to fully bug anyone of actual interest. You know these people even have your school reports if they want to dig back that far?
What has changed is that one can talk about security matters without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. That is about it for me.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#37Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#38My take on this problem is that most people here do in fact value their privacy and the fight for privacy. That's why Snowden articles rampaged this site for so long. However, the divide comes when the decision to actually change behavior arises. We know what we can do for better online privacy: - Use tor for all internet activity - Pay cash for everything; do not own any credit cards, or use a service like Blur - Ba…
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#39My changes:
- Don't use gmail for private email. Self hosted it instead.
- Switched to Firefox (from Chrome), changed my addons (https everywhere, privacy badger and mublock).
- Deleted my facebook account.
- Tried to get my friends to use a self-hosted irc server + mumble instead of skype - but that didn't last for long sadly.
- Changed from google to duckduckgo, but I'm constantly using the !g command anyway.
Sigh. I don't think any of this matters much anyway.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#40"THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society consti- tute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smooth- ly functioning society." ~ Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda (1928), Chapter 1 - Organizing the Chaos