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Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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My advice is to play up the experience, but play down some details of that experience. For instance, 40 years of COBOL and C++ has some signalling issues (not completely unreasonably, what with carpenters blaming shoddy tools). I'd probably not talk about the technical nature of the experience at all -- just say the industry it was for and what the tool was used for, and not name-dropping old technologies. Also, outs…

40 years of COBOL and C++ has some signalling issues

Today is the first time I've seen C++ mentioned alongside COBOL. Today is a dark day...

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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First of all, I have never... and I do mean _never_ had a recruiter ask me for my birthdate. I've been in the industry for 20 years now (not 40, congrats on almost hitting THAT milestone!), so it's not like I just have low exposure.

Secondly, my advice is to do nothing special. Yes, filter your resume for things you think the company would be interested in -- you would do that regardless of your age. In general a one-pager resume is greatly appreciated by everyone. If it comes up that you've been around the block more than most, fine. You don't want to work for companies that would discriminate against you based on age anyway -- they are probably going to fail due to stupidity like not appreciating expertise learned from experience.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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I've built a number of teams, and have repeatedly had the fortune of anchoring the back-end with a senior engineer over age 50. Experience matters, and it helps the entire team from a morale, design, and process perspective. You don't want to work for someone who doesn't recognize that anyway...

I wish I could be so lucky to attract senior candidates at my current gig; they're hard to come by at a trendy downtown-SF mobile commerce pre-series-A startup. Instead, I'm inundated with fresh code-bootcamp graduates. I'd be much more comfortable hiring those junior developers if I knew they would be able to sit next to a reliable senior teammate...

That said, if you're worried about being hired, start by building something on your own! You'll make yourself much more marketable if you show that you can pick up new technologies and actually release something.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flipside, I've personally witnessed a manager firing someone just because he was old. There is an ageism problem in the industry. Like racism or sexism, whether you see its effects depends on where you are.

surely there was more to the story. hard to believe it was only attributable to age without some context.

No, not really. It seemed quite strongly that the reason was due to his age, but the official reason was that he couldn't learn new skills very well. The problem was, he seemed to be learning them pretty decently.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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post #29

1. Where are you. 2. Don't be paranoid but don't play it up. 3. There's no way to hide your age, realistically. You have to answer questions like the year you graduated from college, the year of your first job. 4. There are a bunch of people that age I would kill to work with (35 year programmer), we have half a dozen people in our office with that much experience. We're a C shop and we write very, very high performa…

Thanks, I'm in LA, if you're into high performance networking then you might want to see https://github.com/pfq/PFQ , if you haven't already.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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For me, when I've interviewed older developers, my main concern is that they have too much experience for the role we are interviewing for and may be bored and want to leave.

It probably depends on the job description, but sometimes more experienced candidates get rejected for this exact reason.

I'd love to hear how other people handle this type of situation.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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Also, outside of SF, the ageism is much much milder Agreed, it seems outside the cultural bubble of the Bay Area the entire technical workforce seems to be aging. I see fewer and fewer of the younger generations entering tech outside of a few markets like the Bay Area and Austin. I have a theory, that it is due to the work force being more mobile, as well as the younger work force having less to tie them down. There…

My theory is that having roommates only works when you're young. When you're married and/or have children, you need your own place. That makes it much harder to stay in the most expensive city in the U.S., rent wise.

I believe this is the case also. There is a Quora thread on the pros and cons on raising kids in the bay area[1].

[1] http://www.quora.com/Is-Silicon-Valley-a-good-place-to-raise...

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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For me, when I've interviewed older developers, my main concern is that they have too much experience for the role we are interviewing for and may be bored and want to leave. It probably depends on the job description, but sometimes more experienced candidates get rejected for this exact reason. I'd love to hear how other people handle this type of situation.

Over the past couple of decades I have become more inclined to stay in a position due to the fact that I am not feeling the need to make more money or climb the corporate ladder. I wouldn't take a job that was going to be boring but I also know that a job is often what you make of it. My experience has always been that there's always challenging work that others don't want to take up because it's not on their career path, not high profile, and etc.

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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I"m just a young guy here, not an employer, but I can share how I view your age in a candid way that might help you put your best foot forward. My parents, born in the mid-1950s are currently in the job market looking for work, and they claim they feel the ageism/discrimination but it completely baffles me as a younger person. As a person who celebrated Y2K in public school, now in the workforce blazing my own trail:…

It's on me to deal with coworkers honestly and without prejudices based on their place in the hierarchy within which they work. :)

Re: Ask HN: Should I Downplay My Age?

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At 31, I feel like I am just now leaving the 'young talent' group, but not yet considered older. Standing in the middle, kinda, I think I can see both sides. To help deal with the agism issue, my hypothesis is that if you can zero in on the exact misconceptions they might have about you, or older programmers in general, and demonstrate that you don't fit that mold, you're in.

Some younger engineers will worry if older engineers lost their hunger for learning new technologies. In their position, they are well aware of what is fashionable, or even just current best practice. This is mostly because as new people they go straight to the new stuff. For example, new programmers don't learn SVN, they go straight to git, and github is a way of life.

So, right or wrong, it is a red flag to them if they see or hear about people advocating what they consider as outdated approaches.

But, importantly, they also read books by the folks who are 20-30 years older, but never lost that drive. They go to talks by these people and take notes, buy their screencasts, and brag about what they learned. They want luminaries to guide them. So, maybe, establishing expertise over what they consider important is a way around this misconception the youth has.

I imagine you could send positive signals by fixing or improving some popular open source project. Maybe write some interesting toy code, a game, or something that solves a development problem, and add that to a personal site or your github account. Any way to demonstrate what someone with 40 years experience can do, in a context they can see and interact with should do the trick.

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