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Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#31
You need to love yourself as you are.

If you're always concerned that somebody is a bigger success, you'll never be happy. If you make a few million dollars you'll get to know people with tens of millions. You make tens, you'll know people with billions. Make billions, and you still won't be the new hotness for more than a few years, in all likelihood.

Just do good work. stop caring about the results of the work, care about doing the right work, and doing it well.

That said, you probably won't read this because I stated the truth a while back: that dang is an emotionally unstable asshole and he likes toxic shit on this site.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#32
For this purpose, I've explored a variety of what I'd call "human algorithms" to explore the emotional response to situations in life. I would describe these as structured forms of self-questioning that a person can perform on himself.

Generally, these have rather "New Age" titles: some popular ones include Core Transformation, The Work, the Sedona Method, the Wholeness Process. Tech and computer people are often rather skeptical of such things, but I would recommend giving one or more of them a try. If you don't like mystical or spiritual explanations, it's often easier for sci-math inclined minds to think of these as algorithms that you run on your own neural hardware, for the purpose of improving your subjective experience of well-being in life.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#33
post #26

A quote from This is Water , the commencement address given by David Foster Wallace: “Because here's something else that's weird but true: in the day-to day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#34
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Someday (very soon, geologically speaking) you'll be dead and even if you're successful (personally and/or publicly) enough to be remembered past your death entropy will eventually win out. On a long enough timeline nothing you ever do will actually matter. So don't worry about it. Have fun. Do what makes you happy.

You have a point, but your supporting assumptions don't make it. "In the long term things don't matter" doesn't matter unless you're going to be around in the long term to see them matter. Either way, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. "Have fun, do what makes you happy" helps ensure that what you do doesn't even matter now -- never-mind it not mattering later. You are basically saying "since you can't be a god, you…

I'm not sure you disagree with me as much as you think you do.

To clarify a bit more:

If being a successful entrepreneur is what makes you happy, do that. If raising a fantastic family makes you happy, do that. If tirelessly helping the poor makes you happy, do that. Yes, these things matter in the shortish term. And by "happy" I don't mean a minute-to-minute happiness. All of the things I do that make me happiest in the end are fraught with stress, pain and hard work.

My point wasn't that you should sit around watching reality tv all day, there are very few people I know for whom that would actually make them happy. It is just meant to put things into perspective relative to long-term thinking patterns like "how am I doing vis-à-vis the Joneses". It really doesn't matter.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#36

    focus on being a world class entrepreneur
You are setting unrealistic standards for yourself. Whoever you consider a "world class entrepreneur" most likely didn't succeed because of his skills alone - there are so many more circumstantial effects involved in every endeavor that we undertake (especially in a modern, highly complex and very liberal economy like the US/EU). In short: working hard isn't enough, you gotta be lucky too. And being jealous of other people's luck is just stupid.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#37
Appreciate the rant, surely something that we've all felt at one time or another. I was in the military years ago and one of the things someone said that stuck with me is, everybody gets measured at their own level at their own pace. That you can't take someone else's journey and where they started from and act like that you need to use their benchmarks to measure yourself.

That's why it's so important for YOU to set YOUR goals, because only you can know where you began and how to honestly assess where you're going. You can enlist others and get help, but ultimately, it's gonna be up to you to make those determinations.

Letting other people's accomplishments cloud where you've reached or still have yet to reach will just make you crazy.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#38
* I've dedicated my life to ... building products that can help people.*

You need to ask yourself if that's really true. If it is, then your success is easy to measure: number of people helped. If you haven't helped enough people to feel satisfied, then your course of action is also clear: help more people.

raised a bunch of money... is all over the press... in some cases has achieved real success

The root of all unhappiness is believing something that isn't true. What's more likely, that you've dedicated your life to helping people, or that your motivation is money and recognition? One litmus test is to ask whether you'd be happy making a fortune (complete with a big house, million dollar income, maybe a writeup in Forbes) writing software for, oh, I don't know, a paycheck cashing firm.

The fact is that you are selfish, greedy, egotistical. I don't say this to be mean, but to be honest - it's true for 99.9% of humans. Each of us wants to be special, to be the winner of our peer group; we all want to be envied (which is precisely how people shape their image on social media).

One possible reconciliation is to firmly assert that people spend money on things that they think will benefit them. Money is the primordial "like" button. This implies that if you have a lot of money either: 1) you've provided real value to lots of people, or 2) someone with lots of money believes you can provide lots of value to people (e.g. a raise). (This doesn't always seem to be the case; in fact, much of the wealthy people in the world don't appear to be doing much for it, although software firms are a clear exception there.)

Bon chance.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#39
Success = hard work + skill + Spinning the Wheel of Luck + some other stuff.

If you conflate self worth with Success, you leave your feelings up to chance. Rate yourself on stuff you can actually control. Also don't forget that personal relationships are an integral part of happiness and success throughout your entire life.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#40
I suggest learning more about yourself and your motivations before moving any further.

Try reading The 7 habits of highly effective people.

I'd say that your attitude toward failure is what's going to prevent you from succeeding in the first place.

Also, don't be too hard on yourself!

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