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Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Sigh.

Do you nerd out on this stuff too?

Yes, and I also nerd out on the design of online discussion forums. So watching this discussion trip over a misfeature and nearly fall into the darknet was sad, and sad again.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Hired.com (formerly DeveloperAuction) comes to mind. I found my current role at Lookout through Hired. Having worked with traditional recruiters in the past, the difference with Hired is they have candidates' interests in mind as opposed to focusing solely on commissions. If you're qualified, they put your resume/CV in front of tons of great companies, give you the inside scoop on how interviews work at different companies, and provide more transparency through the whole process.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Doesn't look scalable for a startup but I'd give my pinky (OK, maybe just a month's salary) for having a decent tech recruiter work for me (developer open to new opportunities), as in sparing me of the 90% of BS that I usually go through when dealing with recruiters/companies.

I'm a recruiter. Before that, I was an engineer for 5 years. What you're describing sounds really good, but it's likely not going to happen. For the record, I agree with you completely and try to work in the manner you describe, but there are a number of economic incentives working against you before scale is even an issue.

Generally, recruiters work for specific client companies and try to fill seats at those companies. Because the companies are paying them, their interests are fundamentally aligned with them and not with you. The kind of recruiter you describe is more of a talent agent, but until there's a shortage of engineering jobs, this probably won't happen for full-time roles because the financial incentive for engineers to pay an agent simply isn't there.

Agents make sense when it's hard to find a job or when the opportunity cost to looking for work is high enough to justify paying someone else. Recruiters make sense when it's hard to find workers or the opportunity cost of looking for workers is high enough to pay someone else. In some sense, it's almost like recruiters are talent agents for the companies they're representing.

Freelance engineers do have talent agents (e.g. http://www.10xmanagement.com/). When you're a freelancer, your time is split between doing actual work (coding) and drumming up business, so the less time you spend on drumming up business, the more time you can spend doing work that pays. In this model, paying someone to find work for you makes perfect sense because the opportunity cost of not working is high enough to justify the payment.

Full-time engineers are a different story from freelancers, however. I found this out myself when I first started my own recruiting firm. At the time, I really wanted to explore the talent agent model. This model was really interesting to me because I was convinced that having engineers pay for an agent's services would swiftly rectify many of the problems that run rampant in technical recruiting today (e.g. wanton spamming of engineers, misrepresentation of positions, recruiters having a very shallow understanding of the space/companies they're recruiting for).

I dedicated a good chunk of the first few months of running my business to talking to engineers and trying to figure out if a talent agent model would work. Engineers were super excited about this. Until I mentioned that part where they'd have to pay me, that is.

These days, I try to work in this weird hybrid way where I start with finding smart people, figure out what they want, and then no matter what it is, try to give it to them, while still getting paid by the company. This works for me because I maintain relationships with a lot of companies at once. And it also works for me because, as a former engineer, I can grok what people want at hopefully a deeper level than non-technical technical recruiters and also be able to filter talent somewhat effectively.

This still isn't ideal because my incentives are still kind of misaligned and because companies don't always love this approach -- it's great for candidates, but from their perspective, flow is unpredictable and haphazard. And I think this model works for me primarily because I used to code.

So, tl;dr, while what you want sounds awesome, and I want it too, I don't think it's going to happen in any real way anytime soon. At least not until a product comes along.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Angellist.

How? Because I can browse the companies that are hiring, see the compensation levels, and apply. The companies can find me and express interest directly.

No recruiters involved whatsoever. I think THAT model is truly the future. It's changing the world of tech recruiting because it's challenging that idea that recruiters need to exist at all... and it's a pretty convincing argument.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Going to promote http://offerletter.io here :-) We help engineers and other workers by connecting them with a live human who can help evaluate opportunities, and give them advice to help them get what they're worth.

OfferLetter is adding real value to people's lives and careers. We have a lot of great data on market rates, career trajectories, and company cultures. And because of our tip-as-percent-increase structure, the incentives are totally aligned.

Shoot me a mail if you have any questions, or I'll be hanging around the comments here! mallyvai AT offerletter.io

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Why do you think it's not scalable? Think there always has to be a level of attention on an individual level? What BS are you referring to btw? The usual, "This guy knows Java. He'll probably interested in this Javascript position!"?

The recruiting game makes my blood boil, so I'll just point to some issues but the main thing is that tech recruiters are clueless about tech and don't bother reading about you or the target company before wasting your time, and I'm not even getting at having someone really look out for you actively trying to find a good match. General issues or "Top 10 Mistakes Technical Recruiters Make": - Not selling their company…

Very nice list of top ten mistakes! You should write about it.

Can you please tell me what motivates you more beyond money? Challenge? Co-workers?

I did a similar list but focused on companies top ten mistakes when hiring tech professionals: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20140924112230-224359...

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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Going to promote http://offerletter.io here :-) We help engineers and other workers by connecting them with a live human who can help evaluate opportunities, and give them advice to help them get what they're worth. OfferLetter is adding real value to people's lives and careers. We have a lot of great data on market rates, career trajectories, and company cultures. And because of our tip-as-percent-increase structure…

I like the way that you present your website. Do you think that it's scalable? How are you going increase the number of advisors?

Re: Ask HN: Do you know startups that are changing the world of tech recruitment?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recruiting game makes my blood boil, so I'll just point to some issues but the main thing is that tech recruiters are clueless about tech and don't bother reading about you or the target company before wasting your time, and I'm not even getting at having someone really look out for you actively trying to find a good match. General issues or "Top 10 Mistakes Technical Recruiters Make": - Not selling their company…

Very nice list of top ten mistakes! You should write about it. Can you please tell me what motivates you more beyond money? Challenge? Co-workers? I did a similar list but focused on companies top ten mistakes when hiring tech professionals: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20140924112230-224359...

the most important thing for me is the team, the people I'm surrounded with, also like everybody else, autonomy, mastery, purpose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdzHgN7_Hs8
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