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Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

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Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#31
First off, don't cash out your 401K for all of the reasons already mentioned (in your mind, it shouldn't even exist...that money is for future you).

I started right away with putting money into retirement accounts(partly due to this book: http://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Wealth-Grads-Anyone-Starting...).

While it hurts a bit each month to put money away, in the end I know it'll be good for "Future Me". I currently have 3 different ones: a Roth IRA (I used to put in $400/mo, but now only do $200/mo if I can...the next accounts are all automatic though and I don't skip those), the 2nd is a 403b (similar to a 401k, but available for people in the public sector) which I put $1000 into pre-tax, and the 3rd is my life insurance/savings account which I put $400 into each month (this is a bit extra on top of the regular premium so it'll build value as an additional income source I can tap into down the road). Both 1 and 3 are after taxes and #2 is my only pre-tax one. My savings account right now isn't too great partly because so much goes into the future retirement accounts, but I try and put another $300/mo into that if I can, but some months I end up tapping into that due to extra expenses that come up. (Sounds like maybe we should have a separate thread on how much people put away each month and their reasons for doing so :-).

I think some of the others are correct though, you can definitely start now in your free time with at least creating some accounts and started to do a little bit (the key thing would be being consistent with those actions...as an example, I've always been an HN consumer, but I hardly ever commented...now I'm making an effort to add my own thoughts to posts and share what I have to say because I'd like to build up my karma :-).

I agree with your comments though that it's hard to demonstrate your skills and capabilities to employers when all you have is your resume and not these ancillary profiles and public information spots that seem to be used a lot in determining whether someone's skills are adequate.

Since I work in a college IT department I feel like I'm automatically ruled out because of my background even though I always include a list of the various projects I've worked on over the past 6 years and the increasing levels of responsibility I've acquired.

The other negative I have is I'm probably my own worst critic and don't always see my own accomplishments in their best light (I'll think to myself, "Self, well you don't really have any Ruby on Rails experience so that automatically disqualifies you from all of these jobs, let's see what else is available...". That's kind of a self-imposed problem where I need to do a better job of selling myself.

Actually right now, even though I enjoy my job quite a bit, all I'd really want is the ability to tap into some of the knowledge of Silicon Valley to learn new things (by working part-time remotely and maybe sometimes in person with a company) that I just can't learn here so I can bring those into my current job and apply them, but there don't seem to be too many employers looking for that (though if you know of any, please point me too them :-).

Since I'm way out in stix of SoCal, next to the border, in the desert, in the middle of a mainly agricultural community to have access to all of the good employers/jobs I'd have to move up to the Bay, which isn't too bad (but it's SOOO expensive). I don't mind where I live so much...I just mind that the learning opportunities I have are so limited (so I end up having to find my own ways to teach myself, but that process is a lot slower than having a teacher, aka a willing co-worker, help guide you).

Key takeway though from this thread so far: Don't cash out your 401K and possibly put your family in a precarious position. Having a Happy Dad is important, but so is providing for your family. I would start small and be consistent with the activities you mentioned and treat them like projects. While I tend to forget (until I remember)...if you're consistent with your actions over a period of time you'll be amazed at how much you'll accomplish (of course this is compounded by family time, which takes away from the time you could use, but even if there's just one day a week that you can have some "Daddy Alone Time" that everyone is aware of, and the wife can be your buffer, then that'd be a good start :-).

Good luck buddy (it's tough I know!)

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#32
Do this stuff on your own time. Can you spare a couple hours a week?

And how can you "not be allowed"? Just ignore that and do it anyway. Worse case, you are fired and have to live off your 401k, right? Best case, nobody notices.

The probable case is somewhere in the middle. You get a warning: a talking to by an "authority figure." Just tell them you "forgot" you were "not allowed."

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#36

For clarity: my dream job is one that has a great culture, interesting work, is making money, and is remote friendly.

> great culture

There is no objective measure of great culture or interesting work. I mean, what is "great culture" to you may not be the same to me. For me, I would rather work in an environment where there is a good measure of self-motivated individuals (who get shit done) with a good balance of thinking towards the future (don't experiment too much with a bunch of hipster frameworks that generate a lot of technical debt). And. I like a place that has a great work life balance. On the other hand, there are people who think that great culture means being able to write code in any language, like to work 100 hours a week and who think free food = great culture. Now, I have no problem with that attitude. It is just not my thing.

> , interesting work,

Interesting work: This is a hard problem. Again, this is dependent on you. If you are fresh out of school, everything may seem interesting to you. On the other hand, maybe you have worked on specific frameworks for a while (say building CRUD apps for a BigCo) and now feel like interesting is working on iOS stuff. Maybe you want to be a full stack engineer. Maybe you want to specialize?

> is making money

Be wary, if you are at all looking at a startup. Very few of them are profitable. Most will quote numbers about funding, IPOs etc. It makes it hard to understand what 40 million in funding actually means. Does it mean that the startup is going to succeed? What does a 100 billion valuation mean? Does it mean the company is making money?

> remote friendly.

I think every place in theory is remote friendly for the right candidates. As to whether their culture has ways of workings that make it productive for remote candidates, that is a different issue. If you are a person who is so amazing that you can do your own stuff without face time, almost every tech company will be okay with you being remote. On the other hand, if you are a person who needs to work in a team and work collaboratively, there has to be a culture where the idea that the other person may not be geographically in the same place as you is firmly fixed. E.g. there are small startups in SF where people all come into work at 11 AM and leave at 11 PM. It is a system that works well for them because they all work in sync, talk to each other in person if something needs to be resolved. I like to come to work insanely early, get stuff done, go out and switch off. Some times, I like to get quite time and work from home because I can get a tremendous amount of work done without having to deal with meetings. Again, I wouldn't fit well in the environment that I just listed.

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#37
Don't do it, it will not end up being worth it. Instead make some time on the weekends to learn and build what you want. Maybe wake up earlier and spend an hour each morning on something you want to do. Experiment with your productivity outside of work and try to get things done that way instead of cashing out your 401k and setting your finances back several years.

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#38
Github and OSS contributions only seem like they're important because of disproportionate mentions among the monoculture of bloggers, HN commenters, etc. They're not. A good company will hire you if you can demonstrate one way or another that you're worth hiring. A bad company will value mediocre code coming in from those venues and discount other types of substantive achievements.

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#39
I would disagree that any of those things you think are hurting you are that important. They're certainly all nice-to-haves, but if I were looking at your resume I wouldn't think for a second of discounting it just because you didn't have those on there.

Re: Ask HN: Should I cash out my 401K and try to get my dream job?

#40
My 2 cents: No don't do it.

Six months is a very short period in time, you'll be surprised how quickly it flies by without you haven't accomplished much, at which stage you'll be out of a job and money and little to show for it.

Is there a reason you can't do these projects on weekends and in your spare time?

Even if you manage to finish some projects, what makes you think these would automatically make you a very attractive engineering candidate?

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