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Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Post by al_borland »

sodapopcan wrote: post #14
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, somehow. I have been dealing with an awful lot of people who basically have what are theoretically logic degrees who suddenly just take LLMs at face value, or quote them to me like that actually means anything. People I formerly thought were sane.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth but from what I've seen, in person but mostly online, but the "problem" (and I put that in quotes because I don't even know what to call it... it seems deeper than a mere "problem") is that they quote them as if they are autonomous, sentient beings.

Some of this might depend on the source.

I’ve seen some people quote AI like you’re saying. However, when I preface something with “ChatGPT said…”, my intention is to convey to the listener that they should take it with a grain of salt, as it might be completely bull shit. I suppose I should consider who I’m talking to when I make that assumption.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Post by roncesvalles »

heliumtera wrote: post #27

They do not have a soul, they are NPCs incapable of reasoning. I don't mean lazy, incapable is literally what they are. Logic escapes them. When they say llms are conscious, and fully intelligent, them are comparing to themselves. If you think about it, they are right to say AGI is here, if the bar is the average human being. If you contemplate this fact for a moment, and start pondering it could be true, your life w…

The worst are the ones who say "what if human brains are also just like LLMs". If you've thought about this for any length of time, it's very obvious that we aren't.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Post by Helloworldboy »

heliumtera wrote: post #27

They do not have a soul, they are NPCs incapable of reasoning. I don't mean lazy, incapable is literally what they are. Logic escapes them. When they say llms are conscious, and fully intelligent, them are comparing to themselves. If you think about it, they are right to say AGI is here, if the bar is the average human being. If you contemplate this fact for a moment, and start pondering it could be true, your life w…

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Post by heliumtera »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #7
chipgap98 wrote: post #3

Is this any different than people who believe random things they read on sketchy news sites or social media?

Yes, somehow. I have been dealing with an awful lot of people who basically have what are theoretically logic degrees who suddenly just take LLMs at face value, or quote them to me like that actually means anything. People I formerly thought were sane.

>take llms at face value

It happened with science, politics, traditional media, history books, "good engineering practices" applied to IT, OOP,tdd,DDD,server side rendering, containerization... Literally every bullshit shilled to the moon is accepted without second guessing and you would be without a job, in an asylum, for questioning 2 of them in a row.

Why is it different now? EVERYTHING is bullshit, only attention matters. And craftsmanship.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

heliumtera wrote: post #27

They do not have a soul, they are NPCs incapable of reasoning. I don't mean lazy, incapable is literally what they are. Logic escapes them. When they say llms are conscious, and fully intelligent, them are comparing to themselves. If you think about it, they are right to say AGI is here, if the bar is the average human being. If you contemplate this fact for a moment, and start pondering it could be true, your life w…

This is absurdly misanthropic and dehumanizing.

I firmly believe that every single person on this entire planet has a depth to them that far, far exceeds anything an LLM could even begin to approximate. I'm sorry you're in a position that you can't see that at all - that each and every one of them feel happiness and sadness and love and hate and fear and rage and inspiration and passion and are utterly human. I hope you see it someday.

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