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Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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> How many other people have done the same? For your own personal sake, you may be selfishly wishing it’s as few people as possible. Eventually they’ll outlaw VPNs too and by then you’ll have little recourse. You can’t hide behind them forever, deeper change is needed.

I mean good luck banning ssh connections.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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Since Google eliminated country specific search sites like google.co.uk and bans you from changing location you have to get VPN. If you happen to be travelling and want to do Xmas shopping for UK Google now blocks this possibility because it assumes you want to shop for delivery at your airport transfer lounge location because it doesn't understand user intent or helpful content, in its own bubble land it unbelievably says this is a smoother experience for users! Most expats now are forced onto vpn if they still use Google. Fortunately ai is doing away with the need for Google altogether.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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I am in the UK, and I work for a combined FNO/ISP (a company that owns and operates both the access network and the internet service). It makes me angry that corporations and governments are ruining what was once a thriving network that allowed people to communicate freely with one another. I hope that we will be able to save what remains before it's completely out of our control. My fear is that eventually all devices will be required to have a government-mandated backdoor installed, and anyone found with a non-compliant device will be treated as a criminal.

For now, I used my Hetzner server via Tailscale running fast-socks5 [1] using FoxyProxy [2] (for Mozilla Firefox) which allows me to select a list of domains to re-direct through the socks proxy. I also have Tor installed which is useful when roaming.

[1] https://github.com/dizda/fast-socks5 [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/foxyproxy-sta...

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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So much of the Internet is broken if you don't have a VPN (and much of it is broken if you do). But the consequence of circumventing laws through VPNs will inevitably be bans on VPNs for individuals. By the way, the people who are writing these laws aren't clueless 60 year olds who need help operating their phones. The EU politicians pushing through chat control understand what they are doing. The idea of a global in…

laws are not the issue as much as foreign totalitarian entities have a strong ability to influence local voters in adverse ways.

This is such a threat to democracy that ironically the only solution is to crack down on democracy

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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post #31
post #12

> How many other people have done the same? For your own personal sake, you may be selfishly wishing it’s as few people as possible. Eventually they’ll outlaw VPNs too and by then you’ll have little recourse. You can’t hide behind them forever, deeper change is needed.

I mean good luck banning ssh connections.

You’ll need to have some plausible amount of non-ssh traffic otherwise your account will be automatically re-assigned as an Enterprise Infrastructure Account. It will be temporarily suspended while you apply for a license.

EIAs are £452.17/month (a statutory amount originally defined in The Online Safety Act’s 2027 update, subject to triple-lock inflation), licensed, and subject to inspection. There’s a four month waiting list for licensing due to backlogs at the local County Court.

The alternative is therefore to use up a strike and apply to have the account repurposed back to a Citizen User Account. CUAs must remain below a 50:1 down/up ratio and must have p90 non-https “control” traffic of 48kbps or less. They are expensive too but you get a 25% discount if you install your ISP’s mobileconfig / MDM profile though. With the profile discount the price is now only £64.99 a month.

(This assumes you run an Approved Platform capable of mobile device management. Anything else — Linux based, old versions of macOS, Windows You can get it down to £49.99 a month if you sign up for a 12-month trial of their home security system — cameras, door “e-locks”, that sort of thing. The devices are locked down but you can see the last 48h of events on their cloud portal. The devices have tamper detectors and the traffic is encrypted e2e but luckily that doesn’t count towards your CUA agreement’s limits on opaque traffic.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eventually they’ll outlaw VPNs too and by then you’ll have little recourse. Even China doesn't quite manage to enforce that.

VPNs can never be completely banned because they're a tool used by businesses (nothing is more important than a business in neoliberal capitalism).

You can create the concept of a legal VPN (tracking inside the tunnel) and keep that legal, though. Businesses will not mind.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By putting it on your router, all your traffic is tunneled through the VPN, right? I ask this in comparison to applying it at a finer-grained level, such as just a particular machine, or to an application, or to even a browser tab or particular domain. I feel like I would never want all my traffic VPN-ed because it is slow, there are greater privacy concerns of VPN operators, and my needs for VPNs are a cleanly-separ…

I used Policy Based Routing so only imgur.com/i.imgur.com are redirected, everything else is as it was before. https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/12566175125783-UniFi-G...

I use Unifi Policy Based Routing to watch a streaming service from my home country. It is so easy to setup and works so well.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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I got a VPN in preparation for Australia's (even more draconian) "age verification" laws (those take effect in 4 days).

But what I'd really love (startup idea!?) is an app that let's you map websites to countries and it handles tunnelling that domain's traffic through the selected country's VPN.

For example, I'd like to view Reddit, YouTube, X, Facebook, Instagram and social media apps from a US IP (to avoid Australia's "age verification"), dailymail.co.uk from a UK IP (since it's blocked in Thailand), predication markets from a country that allows them, Imgur from a country that allows it, Spotify from any country so long as it's fixed (to avoid it randomly stopping mid workout with a 'your country has changed' notification).

Until something automated like this exists the current best solution is a VPN and manually switching countries when something you want isn't available from the current country, which isn't great UX.

Re: Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

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On HN probably a few but HN is an extremely niche demographics.

Among the general public I would say effectively zero. The Online Safety Act does not even register in the news or as part of people's concerns.

There might have been a burst of interest because of reports in the media when the OSA came into force but I suspect that this is about it.

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