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Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#31
No. Photography is a hobby, and even with a DSLR not hooked to any networking there are some things that just shouldn't be recorded.

For instance I've never brought my camera to a funeral. Most daily life deserves the right to be forgotten.

Then there are privacy laws, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#32
post #21

I don't trust god, I don't trust man, why would I trust a god made by man?

I wouldn’t trust a “god made by man” either ;) That’s why I’m building something small, local, and transparent—more like a tool than a deity. Curious what kind of system (if any) you would trust?

Not only won't I help you build such a system, I'll hack it if you try :-)

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#33

Trust it with what? Trust it to do what? There's one thing AI can't do, and that's actually care about anyone or anything. It's the rough equivalent a psychopath. It would push you to a psychotic break with reality with its sycophancy just a happily as it would, say, murder you if given motive means and opportunity.

I imagine it helping me remember things or stick to my habits. For example, if I want to lose weight and have a weak moment, it could remind me—like when I order a burger. It could also help me use my time better. If it knows what I’ve been doing lately, it might give me useful tips. So overall, more like a coach or assistant for everyday life.

What percentage of things do you really forget?

Have you read about procrastination / resistance? The issue is not an absence of nagging but unresolved emotions / burnout etc.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#34
The invasion of privacy is the obvious problem. But it isn't going to be functionally very useful to me either.

You're going to capture hours of walking and/or seemingly doing nothing, exchanging pleasantries/small-talk/banter. Without access to my thoughts, this is stuck in some superficial layer -- useless other than to maybe surface a reminder of something trivial that I forgot (and that's not worth it). Life happens in the brain, and you won't have access to that (yet).

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#35
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t trust a “god made by man” either ;) That’s why I’m building something small, local, and transparent—more like a tool than a deity. Curious what kind of system (if any) you would trust?

Not only won't I help you build such a system, I'll hack it if you try :-)

Good to know, I will double check commits if I see your name haha ;)

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#37
Sounds like Jeff Duntmann's "jiminy", which he wrote about in PC Techniques magazine back in 1992. A matchbox-sized general purpose computer and life log, infrared connections to peripherals as needed, with a mesh network to other jiminies and the internet-at-large. Jeff didn't use the term "AI", but that would describe how it worked.

http://www.duntemann.com/End14.htm

Elon Musk's portable-Grok-thing is a long step toward the jiminy idea.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#38

The invasion of privacy is the obvious problem. But it isn't going to be functionally very useful to me either. You're going to capture hours of walking and/or seemingly doing nothing, exchanging pleasantries/small-talk/banter. Without access to my thoughts, this is stuck in some superficial layer -- useless other than to maybe surface a reminder of something trivial that I forgot (and that's not worth it). Life happ…

Just to clarify, the “reminder” example was just one possible use case. The idea isn’t to capture everything or pretend to read thoughts, but to offer flexible support based on context you control.

Curious though: if there were a way for an AI to understand your thoughts, would that even be something you’d want? Or is the whole concept off-limits for you?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#39

Sounds like Jeff Duntmann's "jiminy", which he wrote about in PC Techniques magazine back in 1992. A matchbox-sized general purpose computer and life log, infrared connections to peripherals as needed, with a mesh network to other jiminies and the internet-at-large. Jeff didn't use the term "AI", but that would describe how it worked. http://www.duntemann.com/End14.htm Elon Musk's portable-Grok-thing is a long step t…

> A matchbox-sized general purpose computer and life log, infrared connections to peripherals as needed, with a mesh network to other jiminies and the internet-at-large. Jeff didn't use the term "AI", but that would.

Notwithstanding that most of the mobile OS’s are locked down more than some would prefer for a “general purpose computer” (but less than is likely for a porta-Grok), and that most devices are bigger than a matchbook to support UI that wouldn't be available in that form factor (though devices are available in matchbook size with more limited UI), and that it mostly uses RF like Bluetooth instead of IR for peripherals because IR works poorly in most circumstances, isn’t that what a smartphone is?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#40
I only just got rid of my spy-phone, why would I want something with even more intrusive spying on me. I certainly would not inflict that upon others. A sure way to lose friends fast.

BigTech has burned so much good will at this point, that every new venture just feels like a timer ticking down to a bait and switch for ad revenue, subscriptions, pro features or just selling our data to the highest bidder.

And what happens to 'local' data when the 3 letter agencies want access. No thanks, sounds completely dystopian. If the data is there, someone will find a way to abuse it.

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