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Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by simoncion »

INTPenis wrote: post #20
guerby wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.proxmox.com/en/products/proxmox-virtual-environm... "Premium" Access to Enterprise repository Complete feature-set Support via Customer Portal Unlimited support tickets Response time: 2 hours* within a business day Remote support (via SSH) Offline subscription key activation

>Response time: 2 hours* within a business day What's a business day? I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA.

> I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA.

You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7.

> What's a business day?

From the FAQ on the page linked to by guerby:

  What are the business days/hours for support?
  Ticket support provided by the Proxmox Enterprise support team is available on Austrian business days (CET/CEST timezone) for all Basic, Standard, or Premium subscribers, please see all details in the Subscription Agreement.
  For different timezones, contact one of our qualified Proxmox resellers who will be able to offer you help with Proxmox solutions in your timezone and your local language.
Check out the actual FAQ entry to chase down the links embedded in those words that I'm too lazy to try to reproduce.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by ghaff »

theossuary wrote: post #3
that_lurker wrote: post #2

Will be interesting to see if large organizations move to Proxmox

I don't think Proxmox is anywhere near ready for that sort of shift. It's interesting what a big hole in the market VMWare is leaving and nothing quite fills it. OpenStack is the closest, but way more complicated than VMWare, and doesn't work at all for smaller deployments.

I’m not sure that’s true for larger scale installs but small scale VMware installs are probably less easily replaced by solutions that are also as well supported and have a path for expanding.

Doing a head-on VMware takeout path hasn’t been a good business strategy for companies that tried it.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by firesteelrain »

ofrzeta wrote: post #13

Red Hat is offering OpenShift virtualization, which is Kubernetes with Kubevirt. So some people might just use Kubernetes with Kubevirt. There's also Harvester "open source hyperconverged infrastructure" https://harvesterhci.io/ Or some Xen spinoff like https://xcp-ng.org/ Smaller shops are migrating to Proxmox.

I don’t really consider OpenShift in the same category. VMWare and its enabling software such as vSphere and vCenter are in another category than OpenShift to the point that there is a symbiotic relationship between VMWare and Dell in the corporate/enterprise setting

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by Agingcoder »

AzN1337c0d3r wrote: post #14
yuvadam wrote: post #5

Out of the loop: what's up with VMware?

Bought by Broadcom, now implementing classic strategy of leveraging vendor lock-in to milk customers.

The increase is massive ( I’ve heard x5 over existing contracts in some places )

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by tw04 »

simoncion wrote: post #31
INTPenis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Response time: 2 hours* within a business day What's a business day? I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA.

> I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA. You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7. > What's a business day? From the FAQ on the page linked to by guerby: What are the business days/hours for support? Ticket support provided by the Proxmox Enterprise support team is available on Austrian business days (CET/CEST timezone) for all Basic, Standard, or Premium subsc…

> You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7.

Any serious enterprise software or hardware company absolutely has a 24/7 support option. They all have a base option that is not 24/7 for a significantly lower price.

There’s no way you’re replacing VMware in any company of any size without 24/7 support.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

Mostly bitching to corporate IT to make it possible to use alternative tools and workflows.

Not kidding, that’s the main blocker. We have the DevOps knowledge on our team to go to containers, prepackaged dev environments, etc. But corporate cyber tends to respond to our requests to discuss cyber policy and escalate via proper channels with “sorry that’s against policy”.

This is not my experience at one company but multiple good, name brand companies that generally do good engineering and software work.

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