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Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#32
Adding to this, when using AI as an autocomplete, it feels like I'm being distracted every half second I type a character because I need to check if the autocomplete is what I was going to type or not, which feels just very annoying.

So I'm more productive, but at what cost...

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#33
Not to suggest that analogies solve anything, but perhaps it adds large-scale context to mention that throughout history various (and frequent!) events of technological disruption have had similar effect upon particular fields of work.

I used to work in land surveying, entering that field around the turn of the millennium just as digitalisation was hitting the industry in a big way. A common feeling among existing journeymen was one of confusion. Fear and dislike of these threatening changes, which seemed to neutralise all the hard-won professional skills. Expertise with the old equipment. Understanding of how to do things closer to first-principles. Ability to draw plans by hand. To assemble the datasets in the complex and particular old ways. And of course, to mentor juniors in the same.

Suddenly, some juniors coming in were young computer whizzes. Speeding past their seniors in these new ways. But still only juniors, for all that - still green, no matter what the tech. With years and decades yet, to earn their stripes, their professionalism in all it's myriad aspects. And for the seniors, their human aptitudes (which got them there in the first place) didn't vanish. They absorbed the changes, stuck with their smart peers, and evolved to match the environment. Would they have rathered that everything in the world had stayed the same as before? Of course. But is that a valid choice, professionally speaking? or in life itself? Not really.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#34
i absolutely feel the same

wrote recently about it https://punkx.org/jackdoe/misery.html

now at night i just play my walkman(fiio cp13) and work on my OS, i managed to record some good cassettes with non AI generated free music from youtube :) and its pretty chill

PS: use before:2022 to search

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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AI has stolen my satisfaction from Philosophy. Now there are not the times I need to be sure in my outcomes by the ideological reasons. If I can not persuade LLM my theory is nothing. If I can persuade LLM I use LLM's thesises instead of my own. How can I chose my political views and preferences if I need to consult about them with LLM?

> If I can not persuade LLM my theory is nothing.

It's important to remember, at times like these, that the LLM is not thinking. You can't persuade it of anything; you're looking at a convincing response based on patterns in language.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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Think of it this way: if your problem can be solved by an LLM with the same quality, then it's not a problem worthy of a human to tackle. It probably never was in the first place, we just didn't knew. The only exception here is learning (solving a solved problem so you can internalize it). There are tons of problems that LLMs can't tackle. I chose two of those (polyglot programs, already worked on them before AI) and…

I actually agree with everything you said, and I see I failed to communicate my idea that's exactly why I'm so upset. You said "the only exception here is learning" - and that exception was my hobby . Programming simple things wasn't work for me. It was entertainment. It was what I did for fun on weekends. Reading a blog post about writing a toy database or a parser combinator library and then spending a Saturday aft…

> And so doing it myself feels like I'm deliberately choosing to be inefficient

People have plenty of hobbies that are not the most "efficient" way to solve a problem. There are planes, but some people ride bikes across continents. Some walk.

LLMs exist, you can choose to what level you use them. Maybe you need to detox for a weekend or two.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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I still find it’s only useful for writing code you don’t need to understand. I would never vibe code something that I needed to know how it worked.

It’s just going to take time for “best practice” to come around with this. It’s like outsourcing, for a while it seems like a good idea and it might be for very fixed tasks that you don’t really care about, but nobody does it now for important work because of the lack of control and understanding which is exactly where AI will end up. I think for coding tasks you can almost interchangeably use AI and outsourcing and preserve the meaning.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#40
I started (incorrectly) going down this same route of offloading the thinking and system design process to the LLM. It has a disaster.

You have to understand your problem and solution inside and out. This means thinking deeply about your solution along with the drawing boxes and lines. And only then do you go to the LLM and have it implement your solution!

I heavily use LLMs daily, but if you don't truly understand the problem and solution, you're going to have a bad time.

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