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Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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At my work, we've been using AI since its beginnings. The company offers free subscriptions to every person, sw dev, qa, marketing, anyone. I'd say 9/10 people are using and writing code with it. I've seen no actual improvement in the development speed of our product. Same pace. Same endless discussions. Same meetings. It hasn't changed the pace nor it has lead to an explosion of ideas, implementations or discussions…

AI helps write the code but it doesn't help with the "process" large engineering orgs and stuck in.

I think that's why we see small teams and indie hackers really utilize it. They aren't bogged down by the beauracracy of code changed in a large org.

Big tech is looking for a miracle cure without looking at the root problem (too much process, overhead, cruft). Current AI tools are also far less useful in large codebases than they are in greenfield projects.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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post #8

At my work, we've been using AI since its beginnings. The company offers free subscriptions to every person, sw dev, qa, marketing, anyone. I'd say 9/10 people are using and writing code with it. I've seen no actual improvement in the development speed of our product. Same pace. Same endless discussions. Same meetings. It hasn't changed the pace nor it has lead to an explosion of ideas, implementations or discussions…

AI may expand the effectiveness of engineers, especially experienced ones, without doing much for efficiency or velocity. If that’s the case the industry hasn’t considered how it will adapt to that. It’s not even in the conversation.

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Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked story is “YC says YC companies growing faster because of AI” The story doesn’t state much about source but is it literally just an editorialised press release?

Here's an exact source: https://www.vanta.com/resources/why-the-next-unicorns-are-bu... I'm leaving that utm_source in the link for irony, lol. Couldn't find it from the first page of Google, but AI found it in seconds.

Garry Tan almost certainly has incentives to promote this tech.

That doesn't make him wrong though.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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Business owners make their profits from simply owning their businesses. Workers profit by producing value and getting compensated for a portion of the value they produce - the rest going to business costs and owners. Why would higher worker productivity translate to higher compensation? Owners don’t part from their extra profits unless pressured to do so. Higher productivity does not produce higher wages.

This is the productivity-pay gap, in place since 1980 as real wages have barely budged while productivity has continued to skyrocket, the value from the accruing to a small wealthy minority.

Besides causing social ills such as the concomitant de-democratization of society we are witnessing around us as a direct result of this, the productivity pay gap also undermines the fundamental fallacy of the AI hype crowd - higher productivity doesn’t translate into broader benefits for society, only for the business owning class.

Only external pressure can force business owners to part with gains from rising productivity. With the productivity-pay gap of the last 55 years wealth is so concentrated that the government today is entirely captured by business owners. Billionaires wave their hands and select government officials, unmake the constitution, and form new political parties. Can our government be relied on to pressure business owners into parting with their growing profits and raise wages? Our government has failed to do this for 55 years.

If engineers want higher wages for their increased productivity - which has multiplied since 1980 with little of that going to workers - then we will have to pressure business owners ourselves. The best way of doing that is unionizing.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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At my company I’ve seen 2 types of changes:

1. We’ve got a smart senior dev who’s very excited about AI. His core work hasn’t changed much, but he has generated a lot of AI driven unit tests that mock so much that they’re worse than no unit tests. I approached him about this and he kinda shrugged - said it was good test coverage went up. He’s much more attracted to building new things than making things well, which I think is the source of the issue.

2. We have a low performing dev who has spit out not great code (I think a result of being unable to evaluate what code is good) at a much higher rate. The PR reviews are a massive increase in time wasted.

Both of these devs have personally stated AI has made them much more productive. It’s greatly tempered how I view AI productivity claims I see online.

Personally I use it everyday and am willing to pay for it, but I’ve seen limited uses where it’s 10x (translations, areas I’m a novice).

Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked story is “YC says YC companies growing faster because of AI” The story doesn’t state much about source but is it literally just an editorialised press release?

Here's an exact source: https://www.vanta.com/resources/why-the-next-unicorns-are-bu... I'm leaving that utm_source in the link for irony, lol. Couldn't find it from the first page of Google, but AI found it in seconds.

And AI found the wrong source in seconds, because this is dated in May and the original article you linked is from March.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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> But does anyone have stories of the actual results or impact? I'll be intentionally vague here, but there are companies which are attempting to identify members whose output is quantifiably improved and retain + compensate them at increased rates. Will this work at every org? Probably not. Will it work for some? It seems reasonable to me, though we can't plot the long-tail of these sorts of efforts yet, I think.

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Re: Ask HN: Where are the AI-driven profits or promotions?

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Workers never benefit from productivity gains, doesn’t matter what is fueling those gains, AI, factory technology, automobiles instead of horses, etc. Business owners and executives benefit because they are at the top of the hierarchy where the profits are scooped.

Sure there are workers that get bonuses, but your bonus for a worker or lower level manager typically is pre-determined so if you overwork and contribute 50% more productivity enhancing output, you don’t get 50% more in your bonus.

One path could be to build your own thing and become a business owner but that is much more work than just building software.

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