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Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#31

I like chrome, I don't like google. I mean: I am so used to chrome devtools, I don't even know how to switch to firefox. I gave it a try and it was frustrating that I didn't know where to find my shit. Felt like 10x performance loss for my web development activities. Is there any way to make firefox devtools look and feel like chromes?

I doubt that customizing your dev tools would be worth the effort.

You’ll get accustomed to where things are as you go. After a few days or weeks, chances are you’re not going to even think about it again, or miss the old dev tools.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#32
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The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

From long experience we expect Google and hence Chrome to act against our interests. We have not expected that of Mozilla and Firefox.

Google did give us a lot of warning that they would greatly restrict ad-blocking and tracker-blocking, so most of that angst has already been and gone.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

Well, no one (sane) has any illusions left about chrome.

But FF was supposed to remain the shiny counterexample (despite acting also shady since years).

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

added new terms of use which are very questionable: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/fi...

I think the conclusion was that they had to remove that for legal reasons, since technically they were already doing something that could be considered selling data.

Yes, I heard it was because of Pocket. Of course, they could have just been transparent about ti when people asked about it.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

added new terms of use which are very questionable: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/fi...

I think the conclusion was that they had to remove that for legal reasons, since technically they were already doing something that could be considered selling data.

They have never clarified what they're doing that is not really selling data but legally "could be considered selling data". I understand that's how they tried to spin it, there's a very telling update[1] written two days later:

   The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or other means, a consumer’s personal information by [a] business to another business or a third party” in exchange for “monetary” or “other valuable consideration.”
That California definition is pretty much the most straightforward legal definition of "selling data" I can think of. That they describe it as "broad and evolving" makes me suspicious of their whole discourse, I don't think I can take their communication as 100% in good faith anymore.

Don't get me wrong, even after this I still use Firefox and I think it's better than Chrome in the privacy axis. But it's really annoying that they're still trying to paint themselves treating your privacy as sacred when that's obviously not the case.

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms...

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#37
post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#39
I’m sticking with Mozilla Firefox.

There have been a several episodes of online uproar against Mozilla over the last couple decades. IMO they’ve either been mountains out of molehills (because the feature is still privacy-protecting or can be disabled etc) or Mozilla apologized and changed course.

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