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Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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I know exactly what you're talking about and have been in similar situations many times. For me it's not just limited to speech, but lots of other aspects. Sometimes it feels like being a ghost or some weird Star Trek like phase shift. E.g. one person walks out of a board game night to get some food, everyone stops playing to wait for the person. I walk out, things just continue. What helped me a lot were 2 things: 1…

The big eye opener for me was the discovery that different groups of people actually react differently to me. I.e. I was simply friends with people who ... didn't care as much about me as I cared about them

I second this. Make sure you’re in the right “layer” because this mismatch can induce the described avoidance/insignificance. And even if you want to stay there (which is absolutely fine) don’t take it as a global thing. Different groups may value completely different behavior patterns.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#32
It’s a an excellent question! I don’t think there’s a specific answer just for you, but there are some important universal themes.

Try asking people questions and show interest and concern for their well-being. Observe other group’s rituals and pay respect to their customs. Then to capture people’s attention speak in terms of stories that they know, but switch up a few details, to make the conclusion refreshing and exciting.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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People don't want their attention commanded. They want other people's attention. If you want people to care about what you say, say things they care about...say things that show you care about what they have to say. Because if what comes out of your mouth suggests you were just waiting for an opening to talk about yourself, people will tune out...unless of course they give you what you want. Be fun to talk to. The mo…

The first line was also my thought when seeing this question. Sounds like aiming to be manipulative?

But then I guess the post's contents are rather asking how to have an actual conversation with anyone, including your life partner! Which seems so weird that I doubt we can play therapist over the internet to a useful enough degree and the better solution is to ask $wife (and the friends OP is talking about in 1:1 private conversation) what the thing is OP does that makes them uninterested

I know someone who has trouble with this as well (saying things that seem irrelevant to the conversation, but if you wait and let them speak, it'll become clear... but people don't), but the question they ask is not how to command people but how find people that fit you and/or how to fit in with other people, which very much depends on the individual situation and takes lots of conversation to untangle

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Things that have worked for me: modulate voice tone - lots of people tend to strive for a monotone voice for some reason, and it sounds rather boring and drone like; pyramid principle - start with the main thing and fill out details later, building up to something tends to make people drift off; brevity is the soul of wit - don't emphasize things by rephrasing ideas, don't hammer on points that have been made, don't…

> That's a key point. You're seeing things you find interesting as opportunities to add to the conversation. Flip this around, try to look for things that others would find interesting. Hard disagree. Don't try to be someone you are not. The most interesting TED talks are not held because the speaker found a topic you are interested in. They exist because the speaker has a fascination about something that he explored…

I understand what you're saying but I never advised anyone to change personalities and group conversations are not TED talks.

I merely pointed out something that helped me: instead of sharing tidbits that amount to "I find this relatable because...", I realized that when I came from a place more like "You all might find this interesting because..." people responded better.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#35
It's pretty much impossible to say without observing you. This isn't a technical question that can be answered over text (as much as everyone here will try).

Ask this question to some people you trust and simulate a conversation _in person_ to get feedback.

Contact me (bio) and I'll have a 10 minute call with you if you'd like.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#36
It's hard to say unless you had a recording of yourself in a conversation to listen to / watch why exactly you're getting this response.

As others have mentioned: tone, pacing, modulation, content ... these could all contribute, but I don't think you'd be able to know unless you really analysed a video or audio recording with someone.

Here's a few things that may help:

  1) Get a voice coach and do a few lessons
  2) Join an acting class
  3) Take a clip from a movie and re-enact it. Record yourself and play it back to see the difference, you might pick up a few things.
Also, as others have mentioned it might be worth not paying as much emphasis on speaking, but focus more on listening, reflecting and asking questions. People like others that are intrigued by and like them!

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#37
Some people in the comments are implying that the problem is related to what you say as opposed to how you say it. For example, "talk about things other people find interesting". I feel strongly that this focus is incorrect. The problem is almost certainly how you talk.

When I think back to all the socialites in my life who've had the gift of commanding peoples' attention, they could talk about the most meaningless things and somehow make it engaging and entertaining. Like a talk show host who can crack a funny joke about any subject. Not saying you have to be a comedian, just saying that holding peoples' attention is more about your demeanor, tonality and vibe - not so much about the contents of what you say.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#38
You might be coming off as making it about you.

When we interject with relatable stories, it can often appear to the listener that we are taking what they just said and turning into a narrative about ourselves. Defeating this takes practice, since the good intention is not necessarily to talk about yourself, but to signal that you understand what the speaker is sharing.

The easiest way I have found to avoid this is by asking questions, instead of telling my own story, but basing my questions on my experience. To use your travel example, if someone is telling you a story about a place you have been to, ask them what they thought about a specific attraction you have also visited without mentioning you visited it, giving them the opportunity to continue sharing rather than turning the spotlight on your experience. I that moment, it's about them.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Things that have worked for me: modulate voice tone - lots of people tend to strive for a monotone voice for some reason, and it sounds rather boring and drone like; pyramid principle - start with the main thing and fill out details later, building up to something tends to make people drift off; brevity is the soul of wit - don't emphasize things by rephrasing ideas, don't hammer on points that have been made, don't…

Good advice. What you say, how to say it, how much you say. Eye contact

Good point - it works well in a group setting to look around and make eye contact as you speak. It makes others feel included in the conversation.
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