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Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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Just after hitting 40 I moved from being a dev to being a tester/QA I was working at a small company and after almost 20 years there was getting bored - the tech was changing ( from BCPL on a PDP-11 to C and .Net on Macs/PCs ) but I felt stuck in a rut and found I was better at finding bugs than writing them...

Got involved with the test community, learned a lot, got myself known and then ended up moving from the UK to Michigan just before I hit 50 to work for a small but growing s/w consultancy

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#32

After 40, it's musical chairs. The music will stop and there won't be a chair for you. McKinsey comes in and says "cut staff." HR comes in, says "cut 5% and replace them with Desi H1-B's." Your best bet is to take a deep breath and build another start-up. In the meantime, take any job of any nature.

I try to say this gently, but this comment would make more sense if it came from lots of direct experience, rather than (what appear to be) repeated tropes. Have you seen this repeated in your own over-40 experience or the experience of people you know?

At best it would be anecdotal, and if not from experience it's an intentionally alarmist and flippant remark.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#33

> Google is the place you go to retire after 40 I don't get this honestly. About 1%-2% of devs will manage to work at a FAANG, that's it (correct me if I'm wrong). The rest of us will grind code somewhere else. I'm 40 and I'm staying put in the startup I'm currently working for because I like the people and it's not a sweatshop. Eventually I'll find something else. I'm more worried about A.I making me irrelevant than…

Is grinding code at a FAANG really that different?

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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I spent a long time in tech (not 40 yet but close), and my opinion is that technology creates a mechanical mindset that is sometimes a blind spot. Although it might be best for you to stay in it, I suggest testing the waters elsewhere for a bit in a more artistic area. It might be quite fun to take a break.

I am frequently in the minority here but I do believe that spending all your life in a narrow domain like technology can be restricting in the journey to figure out what life is all about.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB gets over 15,000 applications for each posted vacancy. Your cv is weeded out by an automated system that's difficult to game. Even if you have a contact at the company, your odds suck. You are just as likely to win the lottery. Perhaps buying scratch-off cards isn't such a bad idea.

If you've ever run a company, you know how bad people's CVs can be and what you need to do to stand out. I recommend it to everyone. I would get 15-20 CVs for a small company, and I didn't even closely look at 10-15 of them because it was clear people were just writing random shit or applying without even looking at what we wanted. I suspect it is a similar ratio for any software company. My best hire ever was a math…

Second this, try to stand out in some way. I mostly receive floods of terrible resumes, spam and obvious LLM generated text.

The worst hire I made also had university credentials and apparently wasn't educated in how to deliver anything but academic noodling.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#36

Just apply to any large companies.

FB gets over 15,000 applications for each posted vacancy. Your cv is weeded out by an automated system that's difficult to game. Even if you have a contact at the company, your odds suck. You are just as likely to win the lottery. Perhaps buying scratch-off cards isn't such a bad idea.

The way you write this suggests that for each engineer at Meta there are 15k other people who applied for the job and didn’t get it, so their ~40k engineers correspond to a pool of 600 million potential employees. This is obviously nonsense. There are a few ways to explain your number:

- the same unsuitable candidates apply many times. This is not so surprising: suitable candidates get jobs and so stop repeatedly applying

- perhaps many people can be hired for a single ‘open position’, eg perhaps one is ‘software engineer based at headquarters’

- if many applicants are from people who are grossly unsuitable, eg maybe you must demonstrate job applications to get some state unemployment assistance

- maybe Meta aren’t hiring much at the moment and so it is harder to get in than other companies that are hiring

- the number might be misremembered

The downside to applying is trivial so even if chances do seem low, it can still be reasonable to apply. I think the probabilities implied by the comment I’m replying to are so extreme that you should have some higher estimated success probability from also considering the chance that the comment above is misleading.

The thing one often sees about automated cv filtering systems is mostly widely-believed nonsense. It is a story that is told to job seekers to sell cv-optimisation services. That’s not to say automated filtering doesn’t exist – a simple case is filtering out candidates that were recently rejected – but I think even if a lot of people are filtered out, that doesn’t mean you will be.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be, apparently doing less than 60h or not being reachable during the already short holidays is not doing enough, if the memes are to be belived.

What about non-SREs? I get SREs need to be always on-call but I'm not sure about other positions.

I really don’t understand that - if you have 20 SREs why would you need to be on call more than 3 weeks a year? If you do get called frequently then you should probably be working shifts anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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post #28

It really depends on the type of environment and work you are looking to do. At 59, I applied for a “full stack” (ugh..not my favorite term) job at a large Asia-based multi-national corporation working on support software (web apps) for their entertainment appliance platform. I got the job after a blessedly short interview process that did not involve any leet coding problems. I am on an amazing senior team at a comp…

> fun, challenging, predictable, boring

All of these at the same time? Or sometimes one, sometimes another?

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#39

I have a couple ideas for you from my own experience. There's about a bajillion C/D+ stage 100-500 person software companies in any B2B vertical you could mention who would fight hard for your type of experience. Not necessarily SaaS click-and-drool tools for corporate drones, but unique and opinionated products that have some significant engineering innovation inside. Those companies have essentially no ability to a…

I would second the mid-size B2B option here. I found professional services a bit stressful for what the OP is saying.

But I also think it’s really personal. Since turning 40 I tried: moving into management at a ~100 dev company; IC at a big tech firm (first time I’d worked somewhere really big as a dev); and now I’m back to running tech side of things at a startup.

I don’t think I could have known in advance which of those was going to work for me. There were a lot of positives to the first two, even though I ultimately left. Turns out I actually do prefer a) small places and b) a mix of management and IC work. But I’m absolutely sure that’s not true for everyone.

OP might feel like they want something very different from running their own startup – I also felt pretty burnt out on that after 7 years of my own – but once they’ve had some time they might remember why they went that way in the first place!

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#40

I’m 50 and the offers stopped coming in 2022

I'm in my 40s and I (and the entire team I worked on) was laid off in 2022. After taking a week or so to relax, I was able to find a new position within about 4 weeks, which I'm still at now, and has turned out to be one of the better roles I've had in my career.

I realize this is just another anecdote, but don't be discouraged by the other posters here -- companies value people with lots of experience.

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