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Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#31
Ultimately you have to give a human direct responsibility for it; or in your case, a series of humans.

I'd suggest you do buy a domain, but set up a legal/financial framework so that a long-standing law firm will keep up the payments for N decades (or for as long as the firm & its successors exist).

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#32
You gotta go "store and forward" to have a chance.

- Make your static data small.

- Pick a version scheme and use it.

- Gather your static data into a release, including an indicator of the version, and sign it.

- Also gather your static data into a form easily transmittable by others. If your static data will fit into a few pages of PDFs, it can be read by just about anything with a CPU that real people touch, and can also be printable. There are many tools that create PDFs that aren't Adobe.

- HTML archives, such as those that SingleFile make, are better than PDFs but less accessible (e.g. not viewable on phones, require extension to be installed).

- License the content in a way that encourages sharing.

- Make sure the content itself encourages sharing. Good, unique artwork tends to do this, in addition to the data itself being interesting or important. Comics from the 1940s made it to the Internet age and they'll probably make the post-Internet age too.

- Discord, Telegram, and Github would be an example of three places that would understand the concept of "here's a PDF of a site, here for archival purposes, feel free to share this to anyone or print it."

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#33

This is actually pretty hard to do. We all have heard of internet rot/dead internet theory. One shout might be to link to internet archive instead of the resource directly. Though we can't be sure internet archive will keep the current system working as is (e.g. search params may change etc) The only solid solution I have is to set up a foundation and pour money in so that they will be responsible for upkeep. But tha…

Have thought about this a bit. I think there's a "business model" where a non-profit foundation charges a very high price (say $50 or $100/gig) and the interest on that pays for the hosting and admin. One issue is startup risk, if you don't get enough people wanting to store data "forever" it won't be sustainable.

The foundation has a remit to also do some related "good works". The idea is that the pot of money (and the interest it throws off) acts as an incentive to keep the foundation going. Eventually the cost of hosting "legacy" data should drop close to zero. You could run it as an overlay on two clouds initially to avoid capital outlay.

I think you would want librarians / archivists on the board. It wouldn't require much in the way of software, making something that could last in the long term is more of a governance problem than a technical one.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#34

Put it on Blogger from Google. Has been around since 1999. There are some huge blogs/websites hosted on Blogger. They make money with Adsense, and it turn Google does to. Google has killed a lot of products but in my opinion they will keep this. There are just so many blogs, little and small, some who have posts dating from '99 even, still online.

Is Google going to be around in its current form a hundred years from now?

Google in 2024 feels like IBM in 1974. The brand will surely exist fifty years from now, but possibly much diminished. I wouldn’t count on any specific product surviving the “legacification” of Google.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#35
post #23

Anywhere + get the Internet Archive to index it? IPFS could be a contender, though I don't know where it stands now, but it's the ambition, at least.

IPFS doesn't work like that. It's not an immutable archive. A node on the network has to actively host (or "pin") the content for it to be available on the network. Yes the content can be cached by other nodes, but see the definition of a cache for why you can't rely on that in the long term.

Yes, I know, but I do think the theory is eventually, it would be cheapest and capable for permanent storage, well, storage is cheap already, the matter is more that the host is reliable enough, so it has to be decentralized.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#36

Anywhere + get the Internet Archive to index it? IPFS could be a contender, though I don't know where it stands now, but it's the ambition, at least.

The internet archive seems to continually be getting into legally precarious situations. I wouldn’t bet on it staying around for too long.

there is no way we will let the Internet Archive die, absolutely no way

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

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post #22

Putting it on Arweave is the best I can think of. And then link to the content on arweave.net: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:arweave.net+book As Arweave is designed for this exact use case. Even if arweave.net disappears, one can still find the content one the Arweave blockchain via the hash. The chain is built in a way that it creates a very high incentive for people around the world to keep hosting the conte…

This is preposterous. You're suggesting a "solution" that's overly complicated by orders of magnitude, fragile and relies on the continued value of some shitcoin. Plus the company behind the underlying shitcoin is already dead because they were offering unlicensed securities.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#38
Nothing lasts forever. Even 100 years is a very long time given the technology / cultural / legal changes. It's futile to try to come up with an eternal solution. Just host it on something that seems to be reliable / stable for the foreseeable future and tell the younger generation to migrate it after you are gone to whatever tech of their day is going to be. If the younger generation does not care to migrate your work, then it is not of value to their generation and it is OK for it to fizzle out. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is probably best to have realistic expectations about how much people would care about your work after you are gone.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#39

Ultimately you have to give a human direct responsibility for it; or in your case, a series of humans. I'd suggest you do buy a domain, but set up a legal/financial framework so that a long-standing law firm will keep up the payments for N decades (or for as long as the firm & its successors exist).

This is exactly the wrong advice, instead put your data on the blockchain, preferably Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash or Ethereum.

"Free" data storage for as long as the internet exists.

Make the barcode to your transaction with the data, anyone with a brain and time can figure it out from there.

Re: Ask HN: Where to put a static page that would last forever

#40
post #22

Putting it on Arweave is the best I can think of. And then link to the content on arweave.net: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:arweave.net+book As Arweave is designed for this exact use case. Even if arweave.net disappears, one can still find the content one the Arweave blockchain via the hash. The chain is built in a way that it creates a very high incentive for people around the world to keep hosting the conte…

Whatever arweave is stupid but op has the right idea that the best place to store data on the Internet is the blockchain.
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