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Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

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Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

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I think so but there are generally two competing philosophies. One is that startups should leverage cloud services as much as possible because of their relatively low resources required to get off the ground. I think selfhosting open-source services is more useful for niche SMB's that specifically require on-prem data.

What's the other philosophy I wonder?

To selfhost it, sorry I thought that was implied in this context.

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#32
In my opinion it’s not a good alternative if you or your team members expect exactly the same quality of service. When you switch to Nextcloud you’ll have to expect more bugs, less reliability, less performance and obviously more maintenance (since it's typically self-hosted) compared to Google Drive, Dropbox or One Drive. So you'll have to go into this with a different kind of mindset. What you gain is independence, privacy and extendability due to a rather big platform ecosystem.

E.g. here are some specific things and examples of things you'll have to deal with, in no specific order. These are just some things I've had to deal with recently.

- You'll have to educate people in your group that there are at least 3 different ways to share files among each other and that they can all coexist in parallel (Individual Shares vs. Group Shares vs. Group folders vs. Circles/Teams) (I did a german blog post on this: https://bitbetter.de/blog/nextcloud-freigabe-chaos/)

- Handling of file/folder names with special characters is a mess e.g. if you have Windows and Linux clients there will most certainly be conflicts. (Luckily this has been fixed recently by the `forbidden_filename_characters` config option – which is not enforced yet via the Web UI) see https://github.com/nextcloud/ios/issues/2802

- Creating Nextcloud users with spaces in their names, will break CalDAV on iOS Devices (https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/15641)

- Nextcloud (aka Collabora) Office is very slow if you want to actually work collaboratively with it (no matter the power of your Collabora server) – unfortunately it's no match for Google Docs or Office 365

Don't get me wrong: It's still a fantastic Open Source project with tons of talented people and it's a beacon of hope in the GAFA world. Everyone should try it out (and help it evolve) so it can be better than the commercial alternatives. But going into this and expecting to get the same kind of product quality like Google Drive/One Drive/Dropbox will lead to disappointment.

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#33
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Do you want to spend your time building your product, or spend your time managing something you get for $10/mo from Google?

I can understand the attitude, but personally I don't second it. I think the better question is: Do you care enough to divert some time away from building your product? Some folks might be really motivated by not going with Google Workspace. Others don't care at all. There can be great motivational effects in doing what you think is right, I wouldn't discount it as a purely economical decision. Sure, tools need to be…

First to market/move fast mentality will never consider it. And it’s usually over something that doesn’t really matter like this. Let people have their nextcloud!

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#34

All you have to do is read the commentary here to know this probably isn’t a good idea in a large work setting unless you have dedicated IT staff to support it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41615102

Most large organizations don't even allow the use of gmail, let alone employees storing work-related data in someone else's cloud.

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#35

Old school dinosaur that still advocates for private cloud solutions, here. Swallow your pride or curiosity on rolling your own kit and accept the reality that OneDrive/Google Drive/Dropbox/Box.com/et al are going to be better for your needs. The single biggest benefit of SaaS products are their flexibility to provide service when you can't or don't want to support the deployments yourselves, which is basically start…

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Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#36
I find it’s when you build customizations that break in a version change where this will shoot you in the foot. Make sure it’s well supported for whatever plugins/customizations you need and out of the way and everyone will love whatever self hosted solution you introduce. Don’t go plugin crazy you’ll trap yourself when you need cross functionality of some sort.

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#37

Do you want to spend your time building your product, or spend your time managing something you get for $10/mo from Google?

EU is worried about the European data stored in US (for good reasons). They don’t want their digital assets leave the region, even if the American services are good.

The price is also not $10 per month. You have to increasingly upgrade for features that Nextcloud offers for free, particularly if they are used by enterprise (like multi user accounts).

Re: Ask HN: Is Nextcloud a Great Alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive for Startups?

#38
post #37

Do you want to spend your time building your product, or spend your time managing something you get for $10/mo from Google?

EU is worried about the European data stored in US (for good reasons). They don’t want their digital assets leave the region, even if the American services are good. The price is also not $10 per month. You have to increasingly upgrade for features that Nextcloud offers for free, particularly if they are used by enterprise (like multi user accounts).

You can get Storage Box from Hetzner for like €10. It’s a simple Samba/WebDAV/SFTP network drive and works fine. Nothing fancy, just storage.
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