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Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#31
I think there are two issues you're wrestling with here; they overlap but they aren't directly-coupled.

On the CV side: no. Gambling is heavy statistical analysis, a lot of regulatory-compliance work, and no small amount of human behavior work. It's a challenging space that any competent future employer will recognize as a place where you wear a lot of hats and learn a lot of transferrable practical skills in those three mentioned spaces. Nobody who would be willing to hire a former Boeing, Raytheon, Facebook, Google, Pornhub, Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia, SpaceX, Tesla, Baidu, Amazon, Alibaba, Morgan Stanley, or Palantir employee is going to bat an eye on you having Fanduel or whatever on your résumé.

They care about the skills you can bring to them today, not how you got them.

On the moral side: that's the one you're going to have to decide for yourself. As other commenters have said: other people can tell you their morals, and you can collect facts about the industry, but it's your compass that'll tell you whether you can sleep okay at night working in that industry.

My father spent most of his career doing systems work for a major tobacco company. He was able to make enough money doing it to support his family extremely well. It does, sometimes, keep him up at night whether securing the future of his children was worth indirectly contributing to the premature unmaking of so many other families.

Life has not handed him an answer to that question. How much you care about your own system of ethics, how much personal integrity you choose to maintain, and how many compromises you're willing to make to trade one negative for another positive is up to you.

(It is perhaps also worth noting that no answer is set in stone. Google was seen as a savior-factory about a decade ago. I have relatives who will tell me about the Bad Old Days of computing before Microsoft reigned in the chaos by clear-cutting the massively-incompatible diversity of choice in favor of an ecosystem that worked with itself. And IBM's rise and fall from grace are industry legend. This isn't a question you ask yourself once; it's a question you'll keep asking yourself your whole career.)

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#32
I think it can work both ways and will honestly depend on your specific role and the company you worked for and would want to work for. There could be some interesting technical work and challenges that you enjoy. There could also be some things that make you feel icky and regret taking the job. I've felt that way after working on a couple of marketing centered projects.

I don't think it will cause you grief for most jobs in most industries. That doesn't mean all. The same would go for pornography as well. Opinions, cultures and personalities vary. Not to mention regulatory norms.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#33
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IMO Pornhub or a gambling company is much more ethical than Boeing or Lockheed. Just list it but as a regualted online betting platform, focus on the tech not the gambling.

As someone who has been in both industries (defense and gambling), be honest with the product. Tech can be nice and it has interesting challenges but if your growth is outside the tech, then you are going to struggle.

At least the moral problems of defense or gambling companies are clear.

But there are also big problems in social media companies. Would they harm your CV? The dark patterns in these might be even bigger problem than in gambling. The audience is much larger.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#34

I hire crypto bros all the time. One of my partners advises porn companies. Who you are and whether you can do the job, matters more. If you’re sleazy, I probably wouldn’t hire you, but that is a personality trait rather than your employment history. I have a unique unpronounceable first name. I got passed over for interviews all the time. I took it as “if they’re that type of person, I wouldn’t want to work for them…

Are you saying your first name is actually unpronounceable(I’m thinking similar to Elon Musk’s child’s name) or merely hard for most people in whatever area you’re in to pronounce?

The latter, but even Indians struggle a little. Most people spell it with Ksh, not X.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

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> I am concerned about the ethics of the industry itself You have a moral problem working with gambling. Decide for yourself if that's what you want to do. And don't care what other people say. > and worry that having something like this in my CV could hurt me It arguably makes your CV less neutral. It might hurt some opportunities, it might improve some, and for a lot it won't make a difference. Just don't do someth…

Where I'm located and as I have relevant tech experience I'm frequently approached by what most would consider a reputable online betting business. I politely excuse myself as I dislike gambling and don't want to work in the sector.

I know many great people who work there and I think no less of them. People are allowed to make different decisions and we should respect that.

Similar, when involved in hiring decisions, it's the tech/culture fit that's important.

As stated above, it's probably more important you are comfortable with it, than anyone else. That might also involve considering your own personal situation and what other opportunities are available.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#36
I worked at a new online betting/gambling company that launched in the US during the pandemic. I have worked at two other jobs since. I never had a problem getting my resume screened, so I don't think it prevents you from getting hired at the major tech companies out there. There are a lot of interesting problems that these gambling companies face. For example, they have requirements about which particular states their infrastructure can operate in. Since I am a Platform engineer / Cloud Admin / whatever you want to call it, this could be a good use for things like AWS Outposts that most companies aren't going to have a use for.

It might prevent you from getting hired at certain companies. I currently work at a company focused on the challenges faced by poor families, and gambling obviously is notorious for disproportionately affecting these families. I was honest with the CEO about why I left (which was in some part due to naivety about the wider impacts the company would have). I got the job without a problem. I'd like to think he was happy for my honesty, but I won't ask him as he's currently on holiday.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

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I would be more comfortable with gambling/betting than someone that worked at Facebook.

it's kind of interesting how i have started to look differently at ex-FAANG employees compared to how I used to view them only like 3 years ago. For me, it's less about someone's morals because look, if you're going to get paid 500k--there are very few people in the world that wouldn't take that. It's more about the fact that after reading Blind, the culture behind FAANG just turns me off so much. The optimizing your…

I’ve interviewed once with Google, didn’t make it so take that grain of salt in my comment:

Every time I’ve met with ex-FAANG types in the last decade (and I’ve got dozens of anecdotes) I felt like I was talking with a Wolf of Wallstreet bro stereotype. Complete lack of humility / big ego.

The big name and big money attracts a certain personality type.

I realize full well this is broad strokes and not all are bad, but there’s a bias in the population pool.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

#39
I will give an anecdote from someone I worked with. Years ago he worked for an online poker site before they were under any scrutiny. At some point the company was being regulated and moved offshore. He was told that he had a choice at that point to quit or never set foot in the US again.

I have no idea how much the details of my coworker’s situation was due to the industry or the specific company circumstances, but from other rumors I’ve heard around gambling, it might be wise to do some research around other potential ramifications of being assiciated with the industry.

Also, as to your question. I’ve worked now with 3 people with who’ve worked with various gambling resume points, and I didn’t get the impression that it effected their job searches. And, for what it’s worth, they all happened to be better than average coworkers.

Re: Ask HN: Does having a betting/gambling company in your CV hurt your career?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's kind of interesting how i have started to look differently at ex-FAANG employees compared to how I used to view them only like 3 years ago. For me, it's less about someone's morals because look, if you're going to get paid 500k--there are very few people in the world that wouldn't take that. It's more about the fact that after reading Blind, the culture behind FAANG just turns me off so much. The optimizing your…

Basing a company's culture on Blind comments is like basing it on the movie Office Space. Sure there's a subset of scenarios that mimic them, but they're both ultimately characitures of the actual job.

i do understand its a generalization, but it's not just Blind. Culmination of personal experiences, too. I've worked with a lot of these types of folks. I also highly disagree with this analogy. One is a fictional, creative work of art set to make fun of the corporate world, and the other is an active forum with actual people that work at these places. It's completely fair to judge based on an anon forum (where people can transparently spill their biases/views without any repercussion). Also, a lot of them are in leadership positions and it takes only 1 or 2 to set a culture for a team and eventually a department. Blind also leaks into many many other areas because it has become so famous. At what point can you say that maybe there's a problem endemic to FAANG?

prime example: my last company decided they wanted to become more of a "mature company" and start hiring these geniuses and got someone to lead product from FAANG. He came, did some very fancy pontification (i.e would never let anyone else speak and fill the room with his opinions). Stayed for a year (guessing he got his 25% cliff), delivered literally nothing, and moved back to FAANG to a higher position (VP) and is now probably making a solid 2MM in TC. What a sweet life. I would pay a lot of money to be a fly on the wall of those interviews and how much bs was said with what he did at my last company to get that VP job.

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