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Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#33
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Haven't you answered your own question? ~ No users ~ No revenue ~ No investment ~ No developer founders Sounds like you know what to do, but you're still in a state of denial.

Because he's employee #1. I bet he's thinking there's some great way to come out on top, like "Tell them that you now require 40% equity to continue, 55% of voting rights, immediate cliff, and that if this is more than they can do you must now pursue other options". Well, sorry, there's nothing like that that you can do and 'come out on top.' Just cut your losses. :(

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#34
I sounds like you're the one with the most to lose, and on top of that a none technical CTO?! you sound like you should be the CTO as you're the one developing.

My opinion you should move on, end of the day it's your life you shouldn't waste it with unfocused individuals friends or otherwise, they're probably treating the star-up as a hobby.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#35
Get out, waste of time. They would be well connected if they knew how to use their network. Apparently they don't, because none of their connections was good for business. As few put in the comments, don't take the entire weight of the business on your shoulders. You're probably in your twenties, the most fruitful and effective time of your life. Don't waste it.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#36
Not to be harsh but the reality is that the three non-technical founders are not doing their jobs. Since they are not creating the product, their jobs would be to: fund raising, marketing, sales, and biz dev. But none of those happened after a year. As a non-founder your equity portion won't be great but you are the only one building the product; I'm not sure if the salary is worth it to stay on. It's best you chalk it up as a learning experience and move on.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#37
I think it's clear that you don't need convincing that you should move on (which a lot of comments here seem to be trying to do).

Your problem as you say is you want to keep a good relationship with the founders. While others say there is no value in that because of their past performance, I think if it's not necessary to burn bridges then why do it? Who knows, they could provide a good reference for a great opportunity for you in the future.

So, my advice for you in this case (as an employer) is that:

- Give advance notice that you are thinking of leaving. 2 months would be a good amount if you can. That should give them enough time to find a replacement. It doesn't have to be 2 months though, but the earlier the better. The worst thing you can do is keep all the frustration inside until you can't take it anymore and then have to leave right then. Rather, you should talk to them about it .. just telling them that you are thinking of leaving might be the kick in their backside to get their shit together. (But I'm not saying that is the end goal for you, the end goal is to get out with relationships intact.)

- Just tell them that you want a change, want to try something else, find a new opportunity. They should understand that. They shouldn't expect you to give them X years of your life as if they owned you.

If you do this, then there is no cause for them to be angry at you.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#38
If you are in a team where you are the only person in charge of the software, right from the design->implementation->final shipping of the product, you need to have complete & utter faith on the people who came up with the idea in the first place. And also use a bit of common sense from your side and ask yourself why you think this product will work in the market?. You are going to spend countless hours away from family, slogging on developing a state-of-the-art product which's going to be discarded in a couple of months/years time. Not a good way of investing precious time, which might have well been spent in academia.

I empathize with your situation.Long ago, I too, was stuck in a similar environment. The concept maker was undoubtedly brilliant but when it came to the software specs, he was at a complete loss. I was the only one in charge of development work. But gradually the product design changed and I kept on modifying my project every other day- changed the tools, changed the OS, shifted through multiple languages and finally setup my environment which worked well. By that time, I was half nuts. I struggled to get my work completed in time due to many technical issues, frequent changes in the original concept, and primarily because of lack of practicality of the project. I lost faith , I realized it was just going to be a test project and will be discarded in a couple of months time when they start working on the next long-term project. For them this was a low-priority project, but for me, it was everything and the only thing that mattered at that time. So I thought what the heck, I stayed put and tried to get as much work done as possible, worked like a dog, but my end product was not as impressive as they had imagined it to be. I didn't want to leave them, I loved my entire team and they are nice people. So, I continued being nice & tried to help them as much as I could. You know what, at the end, the entire project was scraped and forgotten as I expected and now they are focusing on a much bigger, profitable & 'practical' project. Guess who was blamed in the end and who got away?

If you want to help someone, they will never refuse. Being nice is easy, trust me. You want to be the nicest guy in the startup world, be the superhero in charge of saving your company from an predictable doom and maintain true friendship, I understand. But choose to continue what you are doing only if, you feel you cannot be more useful anywhere else in the world. God forbid, but suppose things go seriously wrong in your company tomorrow, the business people might put the blame on you, since you are the sole implementer.You mentioned that all of you are close friends..., but if they were in your shoes instead, what would they have done by now?

The toughest part is saying 'No'. It's painful for you, especially if your friends are on the receiving end of your rejection, but you need to do the right thing and save everyone's time including yours. Move on and help your friends move on too. Find another project or start a different company with your friends. Or if you have an alternate idea in mind, discuss the concept with them, don't just be a code monkey.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#39

Perhaps your decision to leave will be easier if you realize that if they needed to let you go, for whatever reason, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Not out of malice, and perhaps not without regret, but as a rational business decision.

Exactly - the OP needs to sit down and evaluate this as a business decision.

Re: Ask HN: losing faith in the startup where I'm employee #1

#40
post #36

Not to be harsh but the reality is that the three non-technical founders are not doing their jobs. Since they are not creating the product, their jobs would be to: fund raising, marketing, sales, and biz dev. But none of those happened after a year. As a non-founder your equity portion won't be great but you are the only one building the product; I'm not sure if the salary is worth it to stay on. It's best you chalk…

A thousand times this. As an engineer, you're one of the few people in the company whose work can be quantified. It sounds like the non-technical founders don't have any metrics for success that they're being held against - given the batshitness of the business, this will probably work out badly for you. Go go go.
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