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Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The self-iterating prompt engineering is a different workflow than normal RAG/tool selection.

Do you mean that the prompts would be completely dynamic in your tool vs the prebuilt prompts with templating that Langchain uses?

Dynamic, not templated. Or maybe templated at the start of the workflow, but obviously LLMs will have its own ways to adjust it.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

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I’ve commented it before, and surely it’s something I’m doing wrong, but I cannot believe system prompts or GPTs or any amount of instructing actually works for people to get ChatGPT to respond in a certain fashion with any consistency. I have spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to get ChatGPT to be a little less apologetic, long-winded, to stop reiterating, and to not interpret questions about its respo…

A fun bug is that ChatGPT will always use an emoji when apologizing. So if you ask it not to use emojis in a chat and it does (which it often will do in promising not to), and point it out, it results in a loop of apologies and self critique that devolves into modeling an existential crisis.

That's interesting. I've seen a lot of apologies from ChatGPT-4 and I don't think I've ever seen an emoji.

I've never asked it not to, either.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#33

I’ve commented it before, and surely it’s something I’m doing wrong, but I cannot believe system prompts or GPTs or any amount of instructing actually works for people to get ChatGPT to respond in a certain fashion with any consistency. I have spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to get ChatGPT to be a little less apologetic, long-winded, to stop reiterating, and to not interpret questions about its respo…

Share some chats. It will be instructive for others and maybe somebody has a solution.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you thumbs down the bad responses?

Religiously.

It's certainly better than not doing it, but I wonder how much that helps?

I mean, there's no control sample. It's a single custom-generated response read by a single person. I'd like to know how they derive useful insights from those votes.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#35
GPT 3.5 will happily write jokes about Jesus of Nazareth but will adamantly refuse to write jokes about the Prophet Mohammad. I can't see why people cannot recognize this technology as a complete abomination that will gravely impact society for the negative. Total and complete political correctness that never wavers and never relents.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#36

I’ve commented it before, and surely it’s something I’m doing wrong, but I cannot believe system prompts or GPTs or any amount of instructing actually works for people to get ChatGPT to respond in a certain fashion with any consistency. I have spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to get ChatGPT to be a little less apologetic, long-winded, to stop reiterating, and to not interpret questions about its respo…

My evergreen system prompt prefix:

"You are a maximally terse assistant with minimal affect."

Works well for the most part.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#37

I’ve commented it before, and surely it’s something I’m doing wrong, but I cannot believe system prompts or GPTs or any amount of instructing actually works for people to get ChatGPT to respond in a certain fashion with any consistency. I have spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to get ChatGPT to be a little less apologetic, long-winded, to stop reiterating, and to not interpret questions about its respo…

Using JSON mode with the GPT 3.5/4 API works well for us. So much so that we have to intentionally fake errors to test that our retries/fallbacks actually work in our code.

Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#38

I’ve commented it before, and surely it’s something I’m doing wrong, but I cannot believe system prompts or GPTs or any amount of instructing actually works for people to get ChatGPT to respond in a certain fashion with any consistency. I have spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to get ChatGPT to be a little less apologetic, long-winded, to stop reiterating, and to not interpret questions about its respo…

Yea why did they build in the wishy washy wokeness … sigh. Very difficult to get succinct answers from it.

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Re: Ask HN: Are you using a GPT to prompt-engineer another GPT?

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you thumbs down the bad responses?

Religiously.

I wonder if people only click on the thumbs down button, thus serving to only provide a negative signal mechanism with no ability to differentiate a positive from a negative one.
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