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Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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Honestly open source projects such that you can point to work you did without requiring an interview is super effective.

I'm honestly unconvinced leetcode practice is useful, there's a significant misunderstanding on coding interviews (google, apple, MS-to-an-extent ask questions I've seen labeled "leet code" but generally as a result of people not understanding the goal of such questions). Companies that are doing "real" leetcode questions in the sense of "could produce a solution for this specific weird question? yes/no" are probably not something you'd want to work for in the long term, and general "make sure you can explain what you are doing while writing code, make sure you can come up with test cases, make sure you can come up with solution trade offs" practice will work for leetcode, and be more useful to less questionable companies.

One other big thing is to try to tailor your CV/resume to each job you apply to. For mass application that isn't really feasible, but if you're only applying to 5-20 a little tailoring of your resume to each position (in the order of a couple of sentences on your background and specialities) is helpful. Your CV should also be as short as possible, no more than two pages, ideally one. Don't include irrelevant prior jobs, if you've been working more than a couple of years the jobs are more important than your degrees if you have them, and your school grades do not matter. Of what you keep, prioritize the jobs and qualifications relevant to the specific job. e.g. if the job you're applying to is primarily C++ your CV should put more emphasis on your C++ experience than the JS ones, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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This post title struck a chord with me. I was PIP'd from Amazon earlier this year and am currently on a medical leave which is going to end very shortly. I'm going to have to go back to work and probably will just take the severance and GTFO because culture in my org is toxic and unreasonable, and my first PIP was designed from the start to be impossible. I was a high performer, but have no real mentors. I have a cou…

What's a PIP?

Performance improvement plan

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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Not to be dismissive of people in this position, but speaking as someone with a regular ass boring job outside of the bay area, saying you're "terrified" sounds like you're far more worried than you need to be. The standards at jobs around the country are so low, and people in general are so bad at their jobs.

You might not LIKE the other work that's out there, but you could always find a software dev gig, or IT analyst work, or whatever weird name orgs will come up with for the only thing that matters: A Job You're Qualified To Do.

I've never had a mentor either, and all I've done in my career in the last decade is just cast a very wide net over a major metropolitan area and showed up to whatever got back to me, and it's worked out very well for me despite the fact that I'm frankly very mediocre and dysfunctional in comparison to our country's top talent.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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I bet you'll find something.

It's really easy to assume that "bay area" means places like Meta, Apple, etc.. But there are others.

I'll take the opportunity to plug that at Stanford, we've got a small pile of open IT positions (42, per https://careersearch.stanford.edu/jobs/search/12458736), covering technologies as plain as Python & Java, to as weird as Oracle. Some positions are fixed-term, if you just want to 'get your feet wet'.

Another set of companies that folks often miss are the auto companies. For example, Ford has a posting for a Senior Simulation Software Engineer, job ID 20901, which wants someone with experience in C++ and Python. The job's location says Michigan, but if you dig in it also lists Ford's office in Palo Alto (in the Stanford Research Park) I know Toyota Research Institute is in Los Altos, though I don't know their open positions. And besides Tesla, there's also Rivian and Zoox.

The map at the bottom of https://stanfordresearchpark.com/community/ gives you a good overview of the types of companies in one chunk of Palo Alto. And there are many other places besides that!

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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In 2014, I relocated to the Bay Area with my spouse and one-year-old child, armed only with $9k USD and 2 bags of belongings for the whole family. I had secured a job, but unexpectedly, the company ran out of funds within six months. The first week after my termination, I was just lost in space and time, freaking out. Over the next two weeks, I applied to every possible software engineering job, sending at least a th…

Funny, when I’ve been laid off, I’ve been relieved that there’s no kid depending on me for food and health insurance and no spouse to divorce me. I think I’d have a breakdown if that were the case, but I guess we’re all different.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

#36
Instead of leetcode, I would try doing actual small jobs on upwork.com

First, it will earn you some additional money. But much more importantly, after a while you can confidently state that you have experience solving issues that companies are willing to pay for. And that's what hiring managers like to see/hear.

Just keep in mind that the non-US competition on most of those remote job sites is pretty fierce. Expect to be slightly underpaid. That said, once you get the hang of it, applying to an actual in-office job is probably easier than negotiating a well-paid fully remote Upwork project. So it will be great training for your written negotiation skills.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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Just to commiserate, I also had a health issue years ago that really threw my career off track. I managed to land a steady job after some long and stressful months and eventually got some treatment that got me back to 95% health-wise, but the job is way below what I think I'm capable of and it's really hard to get back out there and interview for something better. Unfortunately mentioning any kind of health issue during the interview process (typically when the associated resume gap comes up) seems to be a kiss of death, even with supposedly "enlightened" companies that rattle on about their great culture and acceptance. I recommend not mentioning health issues during the interview process at all if you can help it.

If anyone has a different viewpoint on this or has discovered some better way to approach this touchy topic while job hunting, I am quite open to input.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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Go to the coffee shops, do that stuff on your laptop, and casually talk to people. Best areas are Mountain View and Palo Alto downtown, and SF financial district. Also, Palo Alto libraries are fantastic but are mostly residents rather than startup and business people. Tech meetups too. Go, go, go. :@]

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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Software isn't done eating the world yet; it is worth hanging in there. End of year is the worst time to be looking even in bullish markets; New Year is always when hiring picks up as the hiring managers are finished with their vacations, new budgets are in, and the summer vacation is too far away to mess up the process. Pesonally I'd pick a "enjoyed bug fixing" over leetcode-prepped every time. My tip is to focus on…

You mention some great points but I'm not a fan of the "focus on soft skills; being amusing in interviews has always been my superpower" advice. That's not scalable and means nothing given the limited context.

Fair. I'm not suggesting he should focus on being amusing in interviews - just that soft skills have value and sometimes in surprising places. Time invested in them is unlikely to be wasted. Time spent grinding leetcode not so much.

His milage may vary; my main message is that we're still in the inflationary universe stage of professional computing so despite the current undeniable demoralising blip a career change is unlikely to be a good idea for someone who enjoys it.

I should also add that someone who spent 10 years in a role before taking an extended break is a much more interesting prospect than someone with lots of long gaps. They sound like they should be front of the queue when things warm up again.

Re: Ask HN: Terrified I wont find another job

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If you're grinding leetcode and are working on side projects you're already in the top 10% of applications for me as a hiring manager. I'm not in the Bay Area so maybe competition's a bit more intense over there. Besides being on the grind, what I like to see is that you've been working on / experimenting with tech outside the stack you were using for those 10 years at your previous job. Especially stuff that's hot r…

Not a hiring manager but I've interviewed/hired in the high tens to low hundreds of people on my own dime in the past decade. Many from cold applications. I intensely dislike this criteria and want to share my own: People who perform really well at their job is who I want to hire. Solid skills, team player, proactive attitude. I have no proxy for that except digging down on recent projects and personality while talki…

You've definitely hired more than me, and if you're interviewing as the owner of a company that makes you a hiring manager right? If not then I've got my definition wrong and I'm not one either.

Are you saying that if you've got one candidate who has not worked on personal projects and/or leetcode, and one who doesn't, and their backgrounds are similar otherwise, and you've only got time to call one, you'd flip a coin?

I'm not making any hiring decisions based on leetcode, I just think it's a signal that a candidate is serious about their work ethic. But from what I've seen the candidates who had impressive personal projects have more often been significantly more productive coders. Again, that doesn't mean it's a hiring decision, but it means putting the resume on top of the stack for me at least.

edit: also disclaimer I've literally never seen a resume that said the candidate had done leetcode. Maybe that's a thing that happens more at larger companies with more ambitious candidates?

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