tbh i feel like many posts on HN shouldn't make it to the front-page. HN is filled with smart people with tech skills and I have a feeling many of them are gaming the algorithm for self-promotion. Even just getting your friends to upvote something is kind of disingenuous since it bias what should be more objective and we know that people do tend to follow others (social proof.) I don't have a solution. This is symptomatic of quite deep and complex issues. maybe someone will solve this one day.
Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of the JS framework posts I do see are about how they don't like React. There are two kinds of frameworks, the kind people don't complain about, and the kind they use. So it seems people mostly settled on React. They're grumpy about it but it does the job and there seems to be no alternative compelling enough to complain about.
Compared to what we had before, react is pretty nice.
So much this. Emphasis on that first clause, but 100%.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#33I see a lot less programming topics, in general.
Lots of political opinion posts. There seems to be an influx of non technical people posting culture war nonsense.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think about this a lot. About how ChatGPT is perhaps cementing a lot incumbent tech right now. I wonder if the existence of these tools might actually slow down advances in frameworks, packages, libraries, etc...
I don't think about it at all. ChatGPT isn't able to actually do anything I actually need to as a software developer. Code is the easy part, getting good requirements from stakeholders and implementing it as business logic that meets the goals of various other internal concerns is the hard part. ChatGPT doesn't know anything about that stuff. Sometimes I wonder if anyone clutching their pearls about LLM stuff being a…
People keep saying that. However, in my personal experience, GPT-4 is great help at requirement gathering. I regularly give it sporadic meeting notes and text chats and get very well organized requirements back.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#35React is now the de facto choice and much less painful than past de facto choices, is my take on why. It has a mature and healthy ecosystem, and its relatively small surface makes it easy to learn and predictable, while declarative GUI in general is low on footguns compared to ye ol two-way data binding. Many of the competitors springing up define themselves in terms of React, either as an improvement or a foil. But…
React doesn't have a "relatively small surface" any more, because even the React team doesn't recommend that you use "just" React. It's all frameworks on top of React like Next or Remix, and those are more complex, have many involved concepts and come with footguns. I have seen many, many sites switch to Next and completely bungle it, making the user experience worse than it was before the change. (Of course, even Re…
You can still use just React. No one is forcing you to use Next or Remix
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#36React is now the de facto choice and much less painful than past de facto choices, is my take on why. It has a mature and healthy ecosystem, and its relatively small surface makes it easy to learn and predictable, while declarative GUI in general is low on footguns compared to ye ol two-way data binding. Many of the competitors springing up define themselves in terms of React, either as an improvement or a foil. But…
haha, I basically feel this way about Svelte/Kit. It's not mature, but the surface is so small and learning curve so pleasant that it's our go to choice now for internal webapps. (We have no external webapps because my company, funny enough, builds a JavaScript framework!)
> not mature
Svelte was first released in 2016 and has become bigger than its original creator, Rich Harris. It has quite a thriving ecosystem and a big community. The tooling around it is more mature than React's has ever been.
> surface is so small
I actually find the opposite to be true. React still has a relatively small API surface area. One-way data flow makes it easier to understand. However, a smaller surface means arguably less expressivity, so I think Svelte's bigger learning curve is worth it. You can learn about 90% of React in a weekend and be productive. You can learn about 20% of Svelte in a weekend and also be somewhat productive, but you need to learn about 60-70% more to use Svelte as it's intended, rather than as a React alternative.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#37tbh i feel like many posts on HN shouldn't make it to the front-page. HN is filled with smart people with tech skills and I have a feeling many of them are gaming the algorithm for self-promotion. Even just getting your friends to upvote something is kind of disingenuous since it bias what should be more objective and we know that people do tend to follow others (social proof.) I don't have a solution. This is sympto…
>maybe someone will solve this
It's solved by you going to the new page, reading every submission, and upvoting the interesting ones. Incentivize that.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#38IMO a JavaScript revolution is quietly brewing. Today’s frameworks have gotten amazingly complicated and EcmaScript spec is gaining new capabilities at a rapid clip, so some of critical features for modern web dev is built in. This project is a great example of what’s coming https://www.arrow-js.com. I think the right move will become avoiding these large and complicated frameworks unless they’re truly called for.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#39Someone should do a GPT analysis of HN submissions to find and catalogue the HN-Meta. The meta being, the general rise and fall of sentiments / curiosities. I've been on here for 15 years and definitely feel phases when it seems like a lull because I am personally not interested in the current hype. Side note: A few months ago, I swear I saw about 150 different databases I had never heard of on here.
there are some weird phases that happen for sure. I've noticed the same thing with programming languages. There are periods where there is tons of stuff about functional programming and then it'll die down again for a while.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?
#40I see a lot less programming topics, in general.
Lots of political opinion posts. There seems to be an influx of non technical people posting culture war nonsense.
As the site grows the number of people interested in any specific tech gets smaller while the number of people interested in lifestyle posts (politics being a major category of those) grows. Ruby and or Rust specific posts get much less upvotes and lifestyle posts get much more upvotes and the frontpage with its limited real estate becomes less and less specific tech related. The problem will only continue to get worse as the population of users grows.
AI is new and of interest to lots of people so its closer to a lifestyle post at this point than it is a pytorch post that most people would not even click on.